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North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)
HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/19/2006 6:56:03 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Rokke

During the decades long Cold War, the Eastern Bloc countries of the Soviet Communist Empire... which included Cuba ... could have used border infiltration as a means to sabotage the U.S.

During the Reagan years we were actively opposing Communism in Nicaragua and there was a shooting war in that country between the Communists and "our side".

We have even been at war with Terrorism especially from the fall of the Iranian Shah onward (Carter), but even before if you count our strong support of Israel against her violent enemies. It's just that it took us far too long to realize that it was a war, not random acts or a law enforcement problem.

So I don't look at this as a "Declared War" issue regarding American Presidents and Congress not securing the border. I look at it as our nation under persistent threat through all those Presidencies and Congresses but none of them secured the border.

Now we have these who say the reason Bush (what happened to Congress?) didn't secure it had to have been because he is secretly planning to do away with the United States as a soverign nation (so why didn't other President's secure it?). Involving CFR, and we have to learn about it from Phyllis Schafley (but it's secret don't you know). She is a Buchananite. 2 + 2 equals 4, and that ain't no conspiracy theory.

She has done some good things in her career, but she has always supported Buchanan and some of them thar folks can be very far out and very destructive kooks.


621 posted on 05/21/2006 10:05:35 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America is in there. Use your search function"

I don't doubt that, but you didn't answer my question. Have you read the whole document? If you say "no" I will simply state that we can resume this discussion once you've had a chance to read it. That's it.

622 posted on 05/21/2006 10:05:41 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: nicmarlo

It almost would be if you didn't have to go back and some people are.We are at war and my granddaughter and the man she fell in love with are going back.


623 posted on 05/21/2006 10:08:15 PM PDT by fatima (Kathy in Alaska is the best.)
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To: txrangerette
Reading your post was like stumbling into an oasis in the middle of the desert. Rational. Factual. Accurate. Logical.

Whew.

Thanks, and I agree.

624 posted on 05/21/2006 10:08:45 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Thanks yourself. What a thread! I won't bother elaborating. No need.


625 posted on 05/21/2006 10:11:54 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Rokke
Does the following imply you thought I answered your question...."It was your criterion not mine. Your examples were laughable."

It not only implies it it directly states it.

I stand by my replies. You won't even state your question.

How did you manage to answer it several times then?

626 posted on 05/21/2006 10:12:01 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
"How did you manage to answer it several times then?"

Blind, stupid luck.

627 posted on 05/21/2006 10:14:46 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: fatima
Yes, we are at war, but the initial phase of the war is done, and that part seems like forever ago. I am hopeful that the Iraqi people will be more and more willing (as seems to be the case) to inform about the terrorists amongst them, and continue to come forward in numbers to train and guard their people (in whatever capacity, law enforcement, Army, etc.) so that our troops can complete their mission and come back home soon.
628 posted on 05/21/2006 10:15:42 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Rokke

Mmmm hmmm. ; )


629 posted on 05/21/2006 10:16:07 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: hedgetrimmer; Rokke

I think that's from the CFR about page:

http://www.cfr.org/about/washington/congressional.html

The Council’s Congressional Staff Roundtable Series provides a near-weekly forum for discussion of essential issues under the Council tradition of no attribution. It assembles key staff from relevant congressional committees and foreign-policy staffers who work for individual members of Congress in a neutral setting to discuss international topics. Roundtables engage congressional staff from both political parties in the House and Senate in sustained discussion of major issues in U.S. foreign policy, ranging from U.S.-China relations to American evangelicals and U.S. Middle East policy. The roundtables focus on links between domestic and international factors, the relationship between economics and security, new dimensions of international relations, and changing conceptions of U.S. interests in an evolving international order.


630 posted on 05/21/2006 10:22:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: nicmarlo

We are at war.We are at war and my Granddaughter is going back to fight in a war.


631 posted on 05/21/2006 10:24:53 PM PDT by fatima (Kathy in Alaska is the best.)
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To: fatima

Yes, I believe I acknowledged the fact that we are at war.

Godspeed to your granddaughter.


632 posted on 05/21/2006 10:27:52 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for that. I wish yours was a common courtesy.


633 posted on 05/21/2006 10:34:13 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
There are almost 4500 current members of CFR ... If any leader of any organization refused to hire someone because he belonged to the CFR, that person would be an idiot.

Ah, but if someone hires members disproportionate to the labor pool for such positions, might you not infer a trend? BTW, are you a member?

634 posted on 05/21/2006 10:36:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
"Ah, but if someone hires members disproportionate to the labor pool for such positions, might you not infer a trend? "

I'm not sure what you mean. If I wanted to hire the most qualified people for a position, I would seek the people with the best qualifications. Often, those people have been recognized in a variety of ways. (Who's Who in America, honorary degrees, memberships to various boards and councils etc). High achievers tend to accumulate awards and recognition. That is a plus, not a minus when you are looking for the best person for a job.

"BTW, are you a member?"

Nope. I'm barely able to maintain a FreeRepublic membership.

635 posted on 05/21/2006 10:43:36 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Pukin Dog; nicmarlo
GETREAL Dog.

Get ready to be turned every which way but loose 'baby'

Wolf
636 posted on 05/21/2006 11:30:38 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: TigersEye
BUMP

BTW why are not the Mods shown by their screen-names ??

Wolf
637 posted on 05/21/2006 11:38:54 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: texastoo

When you say NAFTA was sold as a way to STOP illegal immigration, you're saying that it was sold as a way to completely eliminate illegal immigration, and that's what I'm saying is too strong.

I can see arguments against NAFTA but I don't see how using the word "minister" could be one of them.


638 posted on 05/21/2006 11:40:02 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir
Many people thought that NAFTA would stop illegal immigration. It was widely publicized. Looking back, I think NAFTA was sold as fear mongering by former presidents. If I have time today, I will look up the Gore/Perot debate.

I can see arguments against NAFTA but I don't see how using the word "minister" could be one of them.

I never learned any of this in school. What about you? I don't have a clue as to why these words are used but they are used by the UN types.

The Secretariat

The Council of Ministers of the Commission is supported by a Secretariat, whose staff is drawn equally from the three NAALC countries. It includes labor economists, labor lawyers and other professionals with wide experience in labor affairs in the region. They work in the three official languages of the NAALC English, French and Spanish in a unique multinational institution devoted to advancing labor rights and labor standards as an integral part of expanding trade relations.

Located in Washington, D.C., the Secretariat also undertakes labor-related research and public information, and assists the member countries with their cooperative activities.

Go to www. naalc.org

639 posted on 05/22/2006 5:56:33 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: tryon1ja
This article is a bunch of crap. This kind of bs doesn't help anybody. Your handle "dark skies" sure tells it all for this one.

I don't necessarily agree with the premise of this article but it stirred plenty of debate (over 6,000 views and over 600 comments so far). So I guess your point about it not helping anyone is debatable.

And just a tip on debating. Your post contains no argument and immediately moves to personal insult. I don't know you, but I'll bet you prefer to aim higher than that.

640 posted on 05/22/2006 6:26:02 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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