North American Union to Replace USA? ("is this the plan?" alert!)

HumanEventsOnline.com ^ | 5/19/2006 | Jerome R. Corsi

[Rokke]

"But an affiliation means membership. Many US government politicians and bureaucrats are members. They ARE affiliated."

OK. Let's apply your logic. If the fact that some members of the CFR serve in the US government means the CFR is affiliated with the US Government, then it must also be affiliated with NBC, National Review Magazine, the Hollywood Actors Guild, almost every University in the United States, the National Football League, the NBA and Sesame Street. Is that what you would like to argue?

[Rokke]

"Then you would have ignored my posts as harmless becaue you would have known the lack of truth improverishes ideas, some sooner, some later. Yet you fight hard agaisnt it."

I continue to respond to your posts as a courtesy. Nothing more.

[TigersEye]

I repeatedly answer a series of questions with exactly what tigerseye asks for, and he laughs and accuses me of being unable to answer his questions.

I didn't accuse you of not answering the question or any question. That is simply false. You did answer and I'm glad you stand by those replies. They are laughable.

[fatima]

I can still see him.I can also see live feed that we were getting and we shared that moment in time.Hearing gunfire seeing our troops all overwhelming.

[hedgetrimmer]

But when you make statements unsupported by any evidence

Hmmm. You used the word affiliated. I gave you an generally agreed upon definition. Because a membership is an affiliation BY DEFINITION, I pointed out that many government officials and politicians are members. Is that not an affiliation? Other posters have put links to lists of government officials and politicians who are so affiliated, but if you need them to be posted here, I guess that can be done.

I did not make any false statements. I chastise you again.

[Rokke]

"Straightening out your train of though is not my bailywick."

So I guess you expect me to be a mind reader and just know "EXACTLY what you had in mind when you asked me to "Name one"". Um hmmm. Nice try. It is clear to both of us what you were asking. And that once you were proven wrong you weren't mature enough to admit it. Enough said.

[Rokke]

"Don't limit your thoughts to just federal government officials. Schwarzenegger has appointed quite a few CFR members to high posts (Alan Bersin, for one)."

There are almost 4500 current members of CFR including some of the brightest and most talented minds in every career field and industry in this country. If any leader of any organization refused to hire someone because he belonged to the CFR, that person would be an idiot.

[nicmarlo]

I remembering watching the live webcams as that all was ongoing. It was incredible. I remember the bombings and sound of gunfire. It must have been something to have actually been there at the time. Not something one would look forward to being in the middle of, but unforgettable.

[Rokke]

"here"

Okaaaay. Could I ask you to offer a page number, or some related and commonly accepted means of reference.

[hedgetrimmer]

There are almost 4500 current members of CFR including some of the brightest and most talented minds in every career field and industry in this country.

How can we get a membership list?

[TigersEye]

So I guess you expect me to be a mind reader and just know "EXACTLY what you had in mind when you asked me to "Name one"".

I would expect you to take it in context. The context of your own statement that preceded it and I cut-and-pasted for clarification. Here it is again:

But your original statement slams Bush for not securing the border in a time of war. He joins a long and distinguished list of Presidents in that regard.

So what I had in mind was simple and clear; "Name one President that failed to secure the border in a time of war." You did and every single example fails spectacularly to parallel the situation facing GW Bush.

Do you disagree with that? /rhetorical question Obviously you do. Who cares? Move on. There is nothing more for you to milk from this other than another opportunity to display your inadequate supply of ad hominems.

[hedgetrimmer]

Open the pdf file. click on the little binocular icon. Paste your search term into the text box. Click find.

[Rokke]

"The CFRs goal of the report is a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America."

Again, could you please cite where your quotes come from. That isn't too much to ask.

"Don't they mean a free, secure, just, and prosperous United States? How can a US based nongovernmental organization claim for a goal of a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America? "

If you are referring to the document we are discussing, it is the result of an independent task group sponsored by the CFR and composed of members from the US, Canada and Mexico.

"Surely that is out of their realm of influence as US citizens. Is their goal to overthrow the government of Mexico so it will become free, secure, just, and prosperous?"

Answer me one question here. Just answer it honestly. Have you read the CFR document titled "Building a North American Community." That is the document we are supposed to be discussing. I am asking you as a man of integrity to just answer whether or not you have actually read the whole document.

[hedgetrimmer]

Have you read the CFR document titled "Building a North American Community."

a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America is in there. Use your search function.

[Rokke]

"I didn't accuse you of not answering the question or any question."

Does the following imply you thought I answered your question...."It was your criterion not mine. Your examples were laughable." I stand by my replies. You won't even state your question.

[TigersEye]

Apparently Pukin Dog has the powers of a Moderator but is allowed to post under a normal handle and instead of following the usual protocols of a Moderator he can simply come onto a thread and start issuing threats. I highly doubt that Rokke called for help in dealing with me. He seems capable and confident enough to handle what comes his way. In which case Pukin Dog's warning/threat about "staying on topic" was his own warped invention. We were hardly that far from the main topic.

Is this what we have now? A forum with unofficial "attack dogs" (no pun intended) going from thread to thread enforcing unofficial rules? Let's clarify this now before we go any further. I'm sure all the forum members would like to know where they stand here.

[fatima]

I was online with memorable friends as we scurried to watch as one camera died and wanted to hear live reports posted.Crazy days that can not be repeated but we lived them live here.

[Rokke]

"How can we get a membership list?"

This coming from a guy who won't even provide the page number for quotes he's posting??? Doesn't matter...here you go...

CFR Memebership

[Rokke]

"to display your inadequate supply of ad hominems."

An ironic statement coming from "laughing boy".

[nicmarlo]

Crazy days that can not be repeated but we lived them live here.

As did I. Seems almost forever ago.