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Iran eyes badges for Jews
National Post ^ | May 19, 2006 | Chris Wattie

Posted on 05/19/2006 2:55:11 AM PDT by Squawk 8888

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To: Squawk 8888

If they enact this then it'll be interesting seeing how the rest of the world explain it away and try to insist that it really isn't all that bad.


61 posted on 05/19/2006 4:27:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: xJones

This goes way beyond bizarre. It's almost like the Iranian mullahs sit in a big circle-jerk with each one in turn trying to outdo the last speaker by suggesting an even more outrageous thing to announce to the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do this on purpose. It would serve two purposes. The first is to see exactly what the bounaries are. The second is to try to distort and extend those boundaries. The latter occurs though a cycle of shock, outrage, discussion, and (ultimately) acceptance and approval. Kind of like what we go through with our culture. One decades]'s shock (e.g., floating the idea of gay marriage or citizenship for illegals in the 90s) becomes another decade's accepted idea.


62 posted on 05/19/2006 4:28:39 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: jslade
Ever see videos of Iranian troops goosestepping on the parade grounds? Look familiar? Will queers be made to wear rainbow ribbons?

At this point, it doesn't seem like they have any limits. Your guess is as good as mine.

63 posted on 05/19/2006 4:29:59 AM PDT by xJones
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To: Dallas59

God willing, Yes!


64 posted on 05/19/2006 4:31:17 AM PDT by TeddyCon
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To: tonycavanagh

And every muslim except the blind californian ones will reply yes it does.


65 posted on 05/19/2006 4:34:37 AM PDT by Ainast
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To: Squawk 8888

.....an original idea?


66 posted on 05/19/2006 4:36:21 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: jacquej

I've been thinking similar thoughts.

Yesterday, I reread Yeat's poem Slouching to Bethelehem and it gave me cold shivers. It seems so prophetic for what we are on the edge of, or at least matches my mood:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert.

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Of course, the Beast Yeats was talking about was never really asleep, for that darkness wallowed through all the centuries of Christiandom, but now it seems to be at such a peak.

The center cannot hold.

Things fall apart, all over the world.

Lord have mercy.


67 posted on 05/19/2006 4:39:17 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: #1CTYankee

Interesting Idea.


I wonder what America will do once the jews are rounded up in Iran. hmmm


68 posted on 05/19/2006 4:40:53 AM PDT by Ainast
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To: Squawk 8888; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...

Ping!


69 posted on 05/19/2006 4:42:00 AM PDT by fanfan (I mean, I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: Squawk 8888

You know, I used to think that the mark of the beast would be an RFID chip or something similar. but its really just going to be these crazy muslims tattooing themselves so they can buy and sell their goods without worrying about selling to jews and christians.


70 posted on 05/19/2006 4:44:14 AM PDT by Ainast
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To: rbg81; SJackson; Alouette
I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do this on purpose. It would serve two purposes. The first is to see exactly what the bounaries are. The second is to try to distort and extend those boundaries.

Yes, your points are well made, and it's like deja vu, Germany 1930s.

I'm pinging Jackson and Alouette because this is terribly interesting and the more opinions here the better.

71 posted on 05/19/2006 4:44:29 AM PDT by xJones
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To: fanfan

This is a very disturbing regime.


72 posted on 05/19/2006 4:45:36 AM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Dallas59

It's an outrage!

that's some picture, Dallas


73 posted on 05/19/2006 4:47:14 AM PDT by Canedawg (Freedom isn't free.)
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To: Dallas59

Less than 25 000 Jews. Not sure of the Christian numbers.


74 posted on 05/19/2006 4:48:46 AM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today’s.)
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To: Squawk 8888

http://www.iranian.com/History/2000/May/Jews/index.html

The conquest of Islam in seventh century put an end to freedom of religion throughout the area. All polytheistic and pagan religions were banned all together with all the other Near and Far Eastern religions. Islam does not recognize these as true religions. All major and minor deities were eliminated as false gods. In the house of Kaba, which contained 110 such deities alone, all were banished. The followers of these religions became 'koffar ' and were given the choice to either convert or die.

Allah a term used by local Christian tribes, meaning god, became the only sovereign god, the almighty. Islam was the last and the most superior of all religions and Muslim males were made superior to all others including Muslim females. Christianity and Judaism were accepted as the only other true religions and their holy scripts were accepted as such. However despite a large number of Christian and Jewish tribes in Arabia, their freedom was substantially restricted and their legal status lowered. They were given the right to practice their religion if they paid a discriminatory religious poll tax called 'jizya'. In the Qoran, these people are called dhimmis (ahl-e zimmeh). Later Zoroastrians of Iran were included as well. The Qoran discourages Muslims from becoming friends with Christians and Jews and calls the latter liars, dishonest and violent. With Christians, they are forbidden from any participation in building Mosques. Mixed marriages were banned for Muslim women. While Muslims could not become slaves, all others were subjected to slavery as purchased slaves or war booty. Later on Christians and Jews were banned from riding horses while carrying arms and could not increase their numbers through conversion of others. They were segregated and their houses could not exceed those of Muslims in height (the Jewish quarter in Kerman is the best example).

Shariat courts became the only legal vessel and the Qoran gave Muslim males superior legal status. For instance, if a Jew or a Christian killed a Muslim, both 'ghessas' (physical punishment) and 'diyeh' (monetary compensation) would apply. If a Muslim killed a Jew or a Christian, there was no ghesas -- they only pay diyeh, which is half of what the Jew or the Christian would have to pay. There is no punishment for killing koffar (non-believers) or mortad (Muslims who converted to other faiths).

In short, all except Muslim males became second class citizens (dhimmis). When Jerusalem was conquered, the Covenant of Ummar made religious discrimination an institution. Ummar believed Arabia should be purely Muslim and Arab. The large Christian and Jewish communities of Arabia mainly in Najran, Khaybar, Hijaz and Medina were expelled to the conquered territories and their properties confiscated. His bias, brutality and discriminatory actions contributed to his assassination by a Persian slave.

The situation worsened by the time of Harun Al Rashid in eight-century AD. The overwhelming population of the area at the time was Christian, Zoroastrian and Jewish. Their houses of worship were destroyed, they could not build any new ones and jizya was increased substantially. Payment of the jizya was furthermore to be accompanied by signs of humility and recognition of personal inferiority.

On payment of the tax a seal, generally of lead, was affixed to the payee's person as a receipt and as a sign of the status of dhimma. By the time of Caliph Al Motevakel in ninth century, non-Muslims were all excluded from employment in government sectors, banned from Muslim schools, had to live in closed quarters and were forced to wear colored ribbons to indicate they were non-Muslims. Jews had to wear yellow ribbons (Vasleh Johudaneh); a practice that persisted till the end of the 19th century in Iran.


75 posted on 05/19/2006 4:51:14 AM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today’s.)
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To: Squawk 8888
This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

That's really scary. They want them identified so the Muslims know who they are and can kill them on sight. Instead of being locked in a "border war", we need to be focusing on dealing with Iran, militarily.

76 posted on 05/19/2006 4:52:01 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (CONGRESS, YOU BUILD THE FENCE NOW, OR WE'LL VOTE FOR LAWMAKERS WHO WILL!)
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To: browardchad

"dhimmitude is a slow and painful death of the spirit"

The Iranian people have been suffering this slow death of the spirit for 27 yrs.


77 posted on 05/19/2006 4:52:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: mainepatsfan

In one sense yes, it is depressing and fearful; OTOH, it may be "positive", in that it encourages us to take the bastards out sooner, rather than later


78 posted on 05/19/2006 4:54:34 AM PDT by ken5050 (GWB, Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, freed hundreds of millions.# of Nobel PeacePrizes: ZERO)
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To: #1CTYankee

Actually, non-muslim shop windows have had designations on them for yrs.


79 posted on 05/19/2006 4:56:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Squawk 8888

like the one in this photo of a Jewish man with his children alongside a deportation train at the Warsaw ghetto circa 1940.

80 posted on 05/19/2006 4:56:28 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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