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Greenspan says US housing boom is over
Reuters ^ | 5/18/06 | Reuters

Posted on 05/18/2006 7:34:39 PM PDT by doc30

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said on Thursday that the "extraordinary" boom in the U.S. housing market in recent years is over.

"This has been quite an extraordinary boom," Greenspan told a Bond Market Association dinner in New York. "The boom is over. I think we can safely say that with a strong degree of confidence."

Greenspan said there was a "high degree of froth in the system," and that it was clear that home equity extraction and the turnover of home sales was waning.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boom; bubble; greenspan; homesales; housing; housingbubble; realestate; whereisextexan; wheresextexan
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To: Cementjungle
Kinda like a case of Herpes I suppose.

An appropriate analogy for sure!

41 posted on 05/18/2006 9:36:47 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: fish hawk

How many of those are second/vacation homes?


42 posted on 05/18/2006 9:37:49 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Those still exist but you see less of that when prices for a cheap place start at 600,000 dollars. The fact is that people of wealth are moving here by the droves. I know a lot of them are getting out of California. They are buying houses to live here. The one good thing about it is that most of them are Republicans. Hawaii is a heavy Democratic state.
43 posted on 05/18/2006 9:41:21 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: umgud

my home has increased 700% since we bought it 22 years ago. I am just amazed.

My sister laughed at me when we bought our home for less than 100k. She told me we overpaid for it then.


44 posted on 05/18/2006 9:44:19 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: fish hawk

I don't know much about real estate in Hawaii, but I've seen it crash here in NYC. It always happens the same way -- in slow motion. Folks think it happens like a crash on the commodity markets or Wall Street, but the truth is, it can take 6 months to a year before the downward momentum accelerates enough to become noticeable.


45 posted on 05/18/2006 9:45:39 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: umgud

Opportunity...buyers market.


46 posted on 05/18/2006 9:48:54 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: doc30
I can't believe all the crap people around here are giving Greenspan.

There are very few people as economically conservative as Greenspan. He was a big part of the "Reagan revolution".

Now people here are kicking him to the curb.
47 posted on 05/18/2006 9:59:27 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: durasell
I've lived here for over 35 years and have never, I say, never, seen property go down. I may level off and stay flat for a year or two or three, then take a giant step up. I believe this is true in other places too, that are resort type places. Like La Jolla, Marin, and Carmel etc in California. In Hawaii, the whole chain of islands are a resort area and there is only so much beach frontage.(which gets you into the millions)
48 posted on 05/18/2006 10:09:29 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: durasell
It won't happen like that. The market has only increased at an inflationary rate in isolated sectors of the country.

Northeast, Kalifornia, Florida.

In Oklahoma, for example, prices have only risen about 5% annually. And that only in the larger metropolitan areas, viz., Tulsa.

I wouldn't expect to see huge market adjustments in these areas.

49 posted on 05/18/2006 10:10:53 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Hey Lou - do you think the areas, such as OK, that are not over-inflated will see a rise in sales from people moving away from overpriced regions?


50 posted on 05/18/2006 10:13:11 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: BW2221

Greeny is a retired fossil. Time to STFU!


51 posted on 05/18/2006 10:15:43 PM PDT by cibco (www.4ecorp.ws/llarson/)
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To: durasell
It will hurt every single ancillary company that services the building trades

Many businesses can survive a few bad years but not a dozen years of stagnation. If there is a correction coming it may be better to get it over with than to string it out over a long period.

52 posted on 05/18/2006 10:16:22 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: LouAvul

Rural areas are another ball of wax. Many of them are de-populating. The population growing older as young people move away in search of jobs. In some places in Kansas, for example, they will give you free land if you agree to stay for a set amount of time.


53 posted on 05/18/2006 10:16:57 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: fish hawk

I saw property values take a hit in Marin in the early 90s. Don't know about the other areas. They don't let people like me near La Jolla or Carmel...


54 posted on 05/18/2006 10:19:02 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: mc6809e
Sorry, mate. Not close. Greenbean only entered the Fed in the summer of 1987. Mr. Reagan had less than a year and a half to go in his 2 terms.

The Fed Chairman who did all the heavy lifting under Mr. Reagan was Volcker. Greenbean wasn't een a player in the 'Reagan revolution', AND was the only Fed Chairman to preside over TWO stock mkt crashes, October 1987 and the March 2000 (et seq) bubble pop.

As ol' Casey Stengel used to say: ''You could look it up.''

55 posted on 05/18/2006 11:23:27 PM PDT by SAJ (b)
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To: ex-Texan

how did you miss this? ping


56 posted on 05/18/2006 11:31:46 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: fish hawk

Property prices on the Big Island went down in the 80s. According to friends who sell property, way down, when a lot of Japanese who had invested in real estate bailed out.

BTW, three friends in Sacramento who sell real estate are not making any money. One's going back to her previous profession, one's just broke and has another job. They all got in a little late. One told me yesterday that there are so many houses on the market that nothing is moving, prices haven't dropped a lot (price reductions are happening) but more and more houses are on the market, just sitting there.


57 posted on 05/18/2006 11:48:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: doc30

Housing may slow down or remain static for a while, but should bounce back.

Two major reasons--the $250/$500 thousand tax deduction off of capital gains profits upon sale, and you can't outsource the real estate business.

Right now people are a little nervouse and trying to cash out their capital gains tax free profits. Also since a lot of people who purchased 2nd and 3rd properties because or this provision only found out about it two or three years ago, you have a lot of people who have put in their two required years, and now want to get their money out to move on to better things, or another fixer upper. Of course this applies to active housing markets, not rural areas that are losing population. Then again maybe there is something to be said for immigration. :-)


58 posted on 05/19/2006 12:17:34 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: stainlessbanner
Hey Lou - do you think the areas, such as OK, that are not over-inflated will see a rise in sales from people moving away from overpriced regions?

Possible. We're seeing investors from California picking up Tulsa real estate. It's not happening often enough to spike the prices, but it is happening often enough that we are taking notice.

One thing, investors/buyers from California historically have tended to pay asking price for a property instead of negotiating.

59 posted on 05/19/2006 8:14:23 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: little jeremiah
One told me yesterday that there are so many houses on the market that nothing is moving, prices haven't dropped a lot (price reductions are happening) but more and more houses are on the market, just sitting there.

This is how real estate reacts. Very slowly. I'm familiar with the Sac market, and the prices are going to go down. Builders/developers will not hold onto property that will not sell.

In real estate, if your house is not selling, you've got the price too high.

For the most part, the feeding frenzy is over. Granted, there are some exceptions, but there always are. But they are the exceptions.

Greenspan artificially fueled the industry with ridiculously low interest rates. But everyone knew that such tactic was not sustainable indefinitely.

The real winners were those who were a) able to "flip" properties and b) Harry Homeowner who was able to refinance.

But as interest rises you're going to see record numbers of young buyers, who came in on the tailend of the frenzy, walk away from their homes.

And IIRC, in California, you can do that with no serious repercussions. The bank cannot make you pay.

60 posted on 05/19/2006 8:23:27 AM PDT by LouAvul
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