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To: burzum
You're right. You posted an article on a study with suspect and flawed methods. What worries me is the immediate, violent knee-jerk reaction that the women in the study were drug-addict, liberal, whining lesbians who just like to complain. I guess my knee jerks, too.

But the problem is real, and it has ramifications to the Republican party. This board has had many threads that are offensive and/or hostile to women. I especially enjoy the "Why American Women Stink" threads. Yes, I know many men have been burned in ugly relationships, and that sad . . . but it's wrong for these men to turn bitter and hostile toward women just as it is wrong for abused women to hate all men.

Conservatives can't afford to alienate conservative women. Those of you who delight in posting cutting, witty comments in threads like this should remember this. Criticize the study all you want, but I think everyone would be wise to make it clear that physical abuse of women is totally unacceptable.

Thanks, Burzum, for having the courage to address me, and to do so respectfully.

77 posted on 05/17/2006 4:35:57 PM PDT by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: Chanticleer
Conservatives can't afford to alienate conservative women

Alienate? If a conservative woman is going to base her vote upon what she reads by anonymous posters, then she's in trouble already and will more than likely always vote Democrat.

Conservative women vote Republican.

This board has had many threads that are offensive and/or hostile to women.

Do you have the ability to fathom whether it is males or females, trolls, posting those comments?

Through all my years on forums, I've seen men of all political hue comment as you describe disliking. Why is this? Because they sure can't say these things in real time. But women can. And not be hauled off for creating hostile environments, ad nauseum.

79 posted on 05/17/2006 4:49:08 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Chanticleer
Why do you continue to play the victim card and then deny that you're playing it? The posters here are not stupid. Don't you have any other card in your hand?

I'll tell you why you play it. It's a powerful political weapon, designed to shut people up and to shame them--not on account of any objective evidence, but fired by pure emotion. It's one-upsmanship, and of a kind that women are very good at playing.

Watch young boys and girls at play. The boys tend to be physical and in-your-face, pushing and shoving if disagreements escalate. It's what they're hard-wired to do. Girls tend to be verbally cutting and to are quick to manipulate emotions and to use exclusion and similar "social" weapons. It's what they're hard-wired to do.

Studies such as this one are just a level up from the sandbox. It's a big girls' game here to play the victim card and shame the males into submission.

Watch movies and television if you want to get more insight into the liberal game "how to emasculate males for fun and profit." Count how many comedies count it the height of hilarity for a man to be kicked viciously and horribly in the groin. Now count how many women get punched in the breasts for a laugh. Have you ever seen it? You won't either. These manipulative women in real life play the victim game to acquire dominance; in their entertainment they get their jollies watching men doubling over in excruciating pain from a quick kick to the nether regions.

There was a book recently published by a woman, a lesbian, who adopted the looks and clothing of a man in a reprise of the "Black Like Me" experiment. I have only read excerpts, but one excerpt that struck me was her describing how the men she mingled with (who did not know she was a woman) showed tender concern for their wives, sisters, and other significant women in their lives. She was apparently surprised, because she expected to find the opposite. She expected to find the woman-as-victim paradigm instead. On the other hand, it didn't surprise me because all the men I know speak very kindly and tenderly of the women in their lives.

Anyway, some of us are NOT going to be manipulated into feelings of shame over this garbage. And don't come back with gambit #2 and tell me I "have issues" and imply that I must beat my wife. My wife and I have been married 31 years and we love each other more today than yesterday, and more than when we married.

My wife doesn't play these games, God bless her. She'd laugh at this study.

95 posted on 05/17/2006 8:07:37 PM PDT by JCEccles
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