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To: arthurus; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
[arthurus wrote:] "Karl Marx showed us all the way for humane manufacturing and social relations. If all production was done for Human Values we would all live in a Marxist Utopia today."

I don't think that you have a clue what Marxism is about. It is a theory that social formations are strong (or "good") until they are advancing the progress of mankind.

So the feudalism was good when it was imposing civilization on the barbarian tribes, protecting cities and roads, establishing money etc ... Once feudalism succeeded it allowed capitalism to grow. Then feudalism (and its leading class of aristocrats) became obsolete inhibitor of further progress.

Then capitalism took over. Its role will be fulfilled when the whole mankind becomes industrialized and integrated in the global scale and when the means of production become so advanced that a large portion of workers become redundant. This will create the final contradiction of capitalism - the overabundant surplus production without sufficient market but with destitute masses.

Then socialism is logical next step. (The socialist revolution in backward Russia was a deviation and a miscarriage from this classic Marxist view. Now after Soviet obstacle is removed the original process can resume)

"the way for humane manufacturing and social relations" was rather proposed by the Church. The best formulation of it is available in the papal encyclicals like Rerum Novarum

The Christian approach was rejected for Marxists who did not believe in social solidarity and in inherent value of private property. But Marxists liked Free market ideology as a useful tool for bringing socialist revolution closer.

63 posted on 05/17/2006 1:07:33 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: A. Pole
That was a tag and the reference was to the unwitting Marxists that clutter this board, not to mention the unreconstructed mercatilists.
84 posted on 05/17/2006 1:50:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: A. Pole
TFP

" "the way for humane manufacturing and social relations" was rather proposed by the Church. The best formulation of it is available in the papal encyclicals like Rerum Novarum The Christian approach was rejected for Marxists who did not believe in social solidarity and in inherent value of private property. But Marxists liked Free market ideology as a useful tool for bringing socialist revolution closer."

Well said.

103 posted on 05/17/2006 2:38:20 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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