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To: Pukin Dog

Not to be unnecessarily particular about your specific analogies, but the immigration issue - especially - and his stand on it goes beyond 'parsley'.

I'm not even bringing up CFR, for example. I'm not sure we'd equate that with parsely either.

We're divided not because our party is 'less than perfect'. We're divided because it appears, in the Senate especially, that there isn't the pretention to conservative values. The Senate feels they can get away with it, because our President hasn't exactly ruled the party with any particular discipline.

The most important example of this is Arlen Specter. There was a quote from him the other day implying that the GOP was essentially the party of moderates, and getting more so every day, and that it was a GOOD thing. The party backed Specter over Toomey (I believe) when they knew better.

While I would agree that it is abundantly clear to anyone not living beneath a stone for the last three years that the MSM is a decidedly liberal organ, I would disagree that THEY are the enemy.

The enemy is our party's belief that it takes one set of principles to get elected, and another to govern.

Unlike liberals, conservatives actually adhere to a basic set of principles and expect the people elected on the basis of sharing those principles to adhere to them as well.

It goes beyond parsely. FR is wonderful from the perspective of being an active, perpetual caucus. It's not from the perspective of its potential for exploitation from liberals.

I'm afraid the good must go with the bad. I'm not sure the President would have even bothered with an address to the country were it NOT for the influence of this forum in particular.

I'm resigned with getting half a loaf from the political process, and often less. In this case, with immigration, we are talking about something far less than that. Our President's stand is going to be a whopping bill we leave for our kids that will compare pretty favorably to the bills we are already COMMITTED to leaving for Social Security and Medicare.

I'm afraid your analogy puts a better face on the situation than what is merited.


1,374 posted on 05/17/2006 12:43:28 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Here here.. Well said, thank you.


1,402 posted on 05/17/2006 12:48:01 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Not to be unnecessarily particular about your specific analogies, but the immigration issue - especially - and his stand on it goes beyond 'parsley'.

Lifetime appointments of Roberts and Alito = Big Juicy Porterhouse Steak.

Immigration Debate = Parsley.

Perspective, baby!

Now, I really gotta get outta here.

1,409 posted on 05/17/2006 12:48:48 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: RinaseaofDs
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You say it well, Hon. Here Here!!

1,434 posted on 05/17/2006 12:54:38 PM PDT by Woodstock
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To: RinaseaofDs

Your comment wrt the Senate is nonsense. 38 or so Republicans voted AGAINST the bill conservatives claim to hate. That is almost 2/3s of the Republicans in the Senate. And the GOP should be "punished"? What am I missing that changes this way of thinking from Insanity to sanity?


1,468 posted on 05/17/2006 1:01:30 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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