Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
" Nobody gets banned for anything other than for violation of posting guidelines."
Please don't be insulting.
Don't bypass immigration threads altogether. The discussion desperately needs ideas, and if we bow out of the fight we lose.
Then why was Texaggie suspended up thread?
Works everytime its tried, baby! Love them keywords! I had a tagline for a month suggesting that you can manipulate anyone if you can make them angry, yet they ignored it. Every house needs a lightning rod to keep from getting zapped.
I know what the partys are supposed to stand for and used to stand for.
If I have a choice between a Democrat that supports the 2nd amendment, is against more government interference in my personal life, wants to lower taxes, wants to lessen the government debt, and is pro-life, and a Republican that wants to have government decide whether or not I can even BUY a pistol, wants more government regulation, wants to increase taxes to pay for pork, doesn't care about the government debt because HE ain't gonna pay it, and is pro-choice - I'm gonna vote for the Democrat.
It ain't gonna happen very often but there are shades of every color in between.
Another good testimonial against the proposed path to citizenship for the illegal aliens already here.
The law clearly prescribes deportation for those who are here illegally. The President's plan is to punish them by simply making them stand in line with everyone else. Oh, they may go to the "back of the line", but that isn't a punishment. Everyone goes to the back of the line when they put in their papers to legally immigrate here. You make an excellent point.
"I suspect that you do expect perfection. Despite the protestations of your post, your problem is that a mega wall will not be built on the border starting today. I just don't think that was ever going to be the case. But, perhaps we can get it started."
There is no wall being started, or being proposed.
For the record, my own PERSONAL view on Latino immigration is that I like it. Latinos are Catholics, and bring with them family values and anti-abortion values which will, I believe, put a spike in the head of Roe v. Wade sooner than if they are not here. I expect they will drive the Democratic Party rightward on family values.
Also, they are hardworking, and I think that the cheap labor is very good for American business, which is what makes me rich.
When I speak about what Border Conservatives want, it is from the point of view of an observer with a knowledge of political history.
There is nothing that quite sharpens the mind as the approach of the executioner, and I have come to understand quite clearly that BorderBots are NOT BLUFFING any more than tax hawks were about Bush 41's "Read my lips, no new taxes" welch, or pro-lifers were about Miers. I see in the BorderBot defection a defeat for the Republicans, which is not in my interests.
The difference between me and you is, perhaps, a decade and a half of military service has made me extremely realistic and focused in my assessments. The landscape is not as I would have it be, but it is what it is, and convincing ourselves that it is somehow different from what it really is because we don't want to face ugly realities is a very good way to get dead and lose a battle and a very bad way to stay alive and win.
The BorderBots have been screaming at the top of their lungs for months. They're message hasn't been subtle. It was always a mortal threat to the Republican Party. The Republican Party, in personam President Bush on Monday night and the Senate on Tuesday, ignored them completely and gave them NOTHING that they were screaming for - indeed, gave them the OPPOSITE of it on all the key issues.
OF COURSE, therefore, they are going to pull the trigger and bad things are going to happen to the Republicans. Just like "read my lips..." with a tax hike resulted in a Democratic victory. Just like insisting on Miers would have resulted in a massive pro-life defection. It's not a game. The future is at stake, and when you have a few million people standing up and screaming what they want at you, if you ignore them completely, you are going to get killed politically.
I listened to the BorderBots, because I understood, and understand, that they are the mortal threat to Republican unity this year.
You don't.
And you're angry at me for calling a spade a spade.
So be angry.
Me PERSONALLY? Leave the damned border open and convert the country to Latin America for all I care: abortion is illegal in every Latin American country except for Communist Cuba. A country full of Mexican Catholics is a country that ceases practicing legal infanticide. I care about that.
The BorderBots violently disagree with me, and I know a real threat when I see one. They had to be appeased. The party gave them the stiff arm. Now we are going to lose a messy battle in November. We can recover if we will learn something from 1992 and retool.
You think we can recover BEFORE November, but you're talking as though the President proposed a wall. He proposed the opposite of a wall. He proposed a "virtual fence", which, to BorderBots, means "not a fence". They are not fooled, and they're incandescent. Want to keep them? Ignore the President and listen to the House of Representatives. The Republican House is trying to save the Party's ass here, but the Party does not seem to WANT to be saved.
So you won't be.
And it ain't ME who's going to put the bullet in you in November. It's the folks who've been saying they would all along?
My advice?
Give them their damned wall. That way we can win.
I can see that you ARE the little spoiled brat.
Probably not but given the large numbers envolved, the Republicans still have a problem and it's not just about the border.
Wonderful post. I agree.
No it doesn't.
yeah, but isn't he cute?
Nope, but anyone who calls President Bush "Jorge Arbusto", types posts in Spanish, demands Bush be impeached, or demands people should refuse to vote in 2006 probably is. Are you one of those people?
Violation of posting guidelines. It's all real simple, really.
I could have sworn the President just made a prime-time televised address on the subject.
bttt
Well, ok.
I didn't see anything objectionable in his post(s), what was it?
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