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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Marine Inspector

"I can guarantee that more like 2.5 to 3.0 million ad it in. The official BP numbers are diluted."

I don't doubt it.
But just the official numbers: 2 MILLION ILLEGALS a year, are ASTOUNDING.


2,021 posted on 05/17/2006 4:08:46 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: DCPatriot

"A stupid question....
Isn't there any law on the books that allow the drilling of ANWR for reasons of national security?
Who would have the cajones to oppose that?"

Environmentalists.


2,022 posted on 05/17/2006 4:09:38 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Vicomte13

Well said


2,023 posted on 05/17/2006 4:11:44 PM PDT by beaureguard
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To: CWOJackson
If would be far more effective if our good friends to the north cooperated in that endeavor so we (probably) didn't have to violate their sovereignty.

I agree and we have that problem with many of our "good friends".

2,024 posted on 05/17/2006 4:13:15 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Vicomte13

Yes they are!


2,025 posted on 05/17/2006 4:13:38 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Lead Moderator

"don't spam keywords"

Uh, oh...


2,026 posted on 05/17/2006 4:13:48 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Pukin Dog

Thomas Jefferson: I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.

Adam Smith: A true party-man hates and despises candour.


2,027 posted on 05/17/2006 4:15:35 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: seowulf

Excellent.


2,028 posted on 05/17/2006 4:17:45 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Neither a Bushbot nor a Bushbasher.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Yes, I have to agree with you there.


2,029 posted on 05/17/2006 4:17:56 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: saminfl; meyer
saminfl wrote (answering meyer):
I notice that you have been here since 1999. Wasn't the illegal alien problem occurring then? did you post about it?

I am not meyer. But some of us HAVE been posting about the illegal alien problem for many years, even before FreeRepublic existed.

I daresay I was one of the first Americans to promulgate such a concept as a "border barrier".

Reproduced below is the text, in toto, of a posting I put on the "Issues" forum of America Online long ago. (of course that forum no longer exists, but some of us keep _archives_!)
Archive follows:
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Orchidea -
RE your posting:
" I doubt whether Mr. Potato Famine's idea of a "Great Wall" would work given the sucess rate of the Asian one. So, watch out, the Visigoths are at the gates!!!"

Fences make for good neighbors.

And they *do* work, provided they are long enough, tall enough, strong enough, solid enough.

Should we go so far as to rely on a physical "barrier" to protect our southern border?

There are two possible avenues of thought to consider...

The first is that we should do nothing to halt the onslaught of multicultural values pouring into our society. Nor should we act to halt the inflow of "multicultural folk", particularly through our notoriously porous southern border, but also into our ports and airports. The relentless pressure this wave of non-assimilating immigrants, legal and illegal, places against our traditional economic/value systems can be resisted only so long. Eventually, like osmosis, it may permeate and corrupt entire regions of this country to the point where they no longer resemble the traditional "America" of our [past] consciousness.

The alternative scenario demands that we take concrete and definitive steps to protect our borders and our culture.

We must realize that there are certain, fortunate nations on this planet that have the advantage of "natural barriers" in their defense against outside pressures. Some that come to mind immediately are Japan, New Zealand, Great Britain, Australia. Because of the fact that all of these nations are are islands, they can protect themselves, *IF* they muster the national will to do so. Great Britain could not have successfully resisted the Nazis in 1940 without this "God given" geographical circumstance. Billions may yet starve in Africa, and the farmlands of India may go dry and become deserts, but so long as a country like Australia can protect its environment and social structure, it has *at least a chance* at long-term survival.

So, too, could North America (The United States and Canada) rely on such a barrier. We are large enough as a continent to become virtually self-sustaining. We are naturally immune from cultural pressures "from the [Arctic] north" - no one's coming in from that direction. By the west and east we are insulated by oceans. Our only "pressure point" is to our south - the Mexican border.

But the southern border is more than just with Mexico - in a broader sense, it is with the entire third world, pressing against our culture, in the same manner in which water bears against a dam. This is why our struggle to restrain it there becomes so important.

It is not only "Mexicans" (and other South and Central Americans) per se that infiltrate us from the south - it is the culture that they bring with them, much of which is inherently alien to our "traditional" beliefs and mores. Curse them if you like, but it is precisely such European "traditional values" that so coherently united and "communalized" our national heritage, up until the 1960's or so - the exact values which today are under such persistent attack from the "multiculturals".

Some months ago in this area, I proposed the concept of a physical, impenetrable wall between the U.S. and Mexico. I again propose it. Indeed, the U.S. Border Patrol, at certain points along the U.S -Mexican border already erects fences, but these serve as mere buckets against the flood when viewed in the larger scale. However, the fact that on the local level such fences DO serve their purpose suggests that we need a more substantive "levee" to protect our *entire* southern front.

Call this prospective "Wall of America" racist, call it elitist, call it whatever you like. The fact remains that with such an artificial barrier in place working in concert with our natural barriers to the north, east and west, and with extremely tight controls on who "gets in" via air and sea, we could effectively defend ourselves (our culture AND our environment) from the inevitable decline and collapse due to outside pressures that, at the present, we seem reluctant to resist.

It may be indelicate to say so, but I will assert that:
- All "cultures" are NOT of equal value; thus
- Some cultures are inherently superior to others;
- The history of mankind is of competing cultures conflicting with and overcoming one another (and not always did the superior culture triumph);
- That said, I consider OUR traditional culture (based upon Euro-Centric values) to be superior to others, and thus, worth preserving;
- Such preservation becomes IMPOSSIBLE unless we actively defend it against the corrupting influences of competing, inferior cultures.

If you live beside a river, and if that river is threatening to overflow your property, what do you do? Do you accept the inevitability of the pending inundation? Or do you at least attempt to build a levee to restrain such overflow? Must you simply stand by and let the waves wash over you, because you have no "right" to "resist" them? Is it unmoral, unethical, unreasonable to at least TRY to protect what you have and what you stand for?

Few will contest the individual's inherent right of self-preservation - do we also have a right to the self-preservation of our nation, our values, our culture, our future?

I believe that what we have built here, and what the future can hold for us, is WORTH protecting, by WHATEVER means possible.
Do you?

- John
(posted to AOL Nov 16, 1995)
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2,030 posted on 05/17/2006 4:18:32 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Toby06

I got my point across however it comes out in the wash.


2,031 posted on 05/17/2006 4:18:35 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

"What are you driving anyway trubluolyguy, an eighteen wheeler?"

Jeep Wrangler

"LOL! Have you ever seen how spell check reacts to your name?"

No, I should check that out.


2,032 posted on 05/17/2006 4:19:11 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: Smogger
"The assertion that Californian's don't care about this issue, and are all a bunch of looney liberals, is patently absurd and like most FR California bashing posts just plain ignorant."

I didn't say Californian's are a bunch of looney liberals. I said they vote for democrats and then blame everyone else for their problems. And most Californians don't seem to care enough about the immigration issue to try and change it. Two Democrat Senators, 2/3's of your Congressmen, and a rock solid majority of Californians voting for Algore and John Kerry prove otherwise. And your comments about East Coast and Midwest liberals invading the state are hugely ironic, because everywhere I go west of the Rockies, people complain about how California liberals are pouring out of California and ruining their neighborhoods. I live in Colorado, and can vouch for the influx of California refugees, although most of my neighbors are pretty conservative. And frankly, I don't blame anyone for leaving California. It is a beautiful state, but I'm sure I don't have to tell you it has a long list of problems that only seem to be getting worse.

2,033 posted on 05/17/2006 4:19:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: trubluolyguy

I drive a Jeep Cherokee, so I feel your pain. Gas is down five cents here, though..


2,034 posted on 05/17/2006 4:20:25 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: colorado tanker
It has taken 20 years to get a second chance at a conservative majority on SCOTUS. If the Republican-bashers persuade the base to stay home this fall, the Senate will again go Democrat and we will not get another nominee like Roberts or Alito, because Presidents have to play the hand they are dealt.

WELL SAID!!

2,035 posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:04 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Prokopton

Nice try. You're conveniently forgetting about Roberts and Alito.


2,036 posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:32 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Admin Moderator
See, most of us do have a life outside FR.

Really? You're lucky, I haven't had a real life outside of FR for years.

2,037 posted on 05/17/2006 4:22:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Allow in a legal immigrant for every illegal alien deported.)
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To: cardinal4

State average here is $3.15 per gallon.


2,038 posted on 05/17/2006 4:22:54 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: streetpreacher

I've been a republican since Nixon....have always voted straight republican in every election wether state, local or federal.

Yes I am enraged over our policy of kowtowing to Mexico and terrible border security and Immigration realities that are an embarrasment.

However, I have come to the conclusion these last several years that there is a darker issue afoot.

The Leftist/Communists/NWO aren't dummys, they have a well planned and so far well implimented agenda that is taking the Constitution and America down. (Think NEA, ACLU, The Media et el)

For a while, I thought that Bush wasn't a part of that "Conspiracy"....I let my idealism and patriotism get the best of me especially after 9-11...I wanted to believe that Bush was an honorable and rightous man, above the corruption and beyond the conspiracy.

Too many things that he has done and said of late have convinced me otherwise now....and I am angry not only with the situation but with myself for allowing myself to be suckered in.....and angry that things are worse than they appear on the surface....and that my children and grandchildren are going to see America dismantled....taken to a second or third world position.

And then I am angry with myself for my lack of Faith.....not consistantly believing that God is indeed IN CONTROL and that He is going to use this evil for His Own Eternal Purposes and Prophetic Fulfillment....I forget that all too often.

The Patriot Act, the National ID card, etc....have all been or will be snuck in on the tail of public outcry...."They" did and are doing a great job of getting us closer to 1984 (Orwell) and we conservatives for the most part remain oblivious, naive and unorganized.

But the bad guys are smarter than we think...they have infiltrated even the hallowed halls of conservatism so that there is no chance of organizing or fighting the wave as it washes over us for they are everywhere and they know the who, where and why of true American Patriots....they are just accumulating data for that time when they can take us out....and we will be powerless and probably by that time, weaponless too.

I think their game plan now is to eradicate the "Middle Class"....bring wages down to the point where "we" are scrounging to survive too exhausted to voice our malcontent.
(Think NAFTA)

I've seen articles about the NWO (Council of Foreign Relations) describing a North America somewhat like the EU....to a great extent Borderless....so that America gets watered down to such an extent as to vanish. I think there is even a plan to begin to impliment this in 2010!

I'll even come further out from underneath my rock and say that the arabs are being used, set up and exploited and yes radical islam is being fanned like a fire....but alas they are not the real enemy...just an accessory to bring whatever plans the real bad guys have, to fruition. (Think NeoCons)

Also I believe that the current adversarial battle between republicans and democrats...it's all a show, smoke and mirrors to keep us from seeing the real "man" behind the curtain.


2,039 posted on 05/17/2006 4:23:15 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: cardinal4

1999 Dodge Durango. I just went to Ft. Riley, actually, it cost less than a plane ticket to drive. Still, it's hard to pay $60 to 'fill er up' when I'm driving on fumes.


2,040 posted on 05/17/2006 4:23:29 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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