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1 posted on 05/17/2006 6:42:24 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
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If Jesus and Mohammad are prophets sent by the same God, how come their teaching are diametrically opposite?

The Koran says that Jesus is a prophet. Jesus says he is God and/or son of God. Jesus therefore either truly is God, or he is a blasphemer. He therefore cannot be a prophet. Either way the Koran cannot be true. And if it's not true about this...


27 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:23 AM PDT by winner3000
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Ask him if he knows that the 72 virgins are all Helen Thomas clones and ask him if he would like to volunteer.


29 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:34 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...MINE the borders! N O W !!! Semper Fi !!)
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Certainly this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/comics.htm


32 posted on 05/17/2006 7:02:58 AM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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http://www.prophetofdoom.net/


35 posted on 05/17/2006 7:07:45 AM PDT by faq
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Anyone have questions they want me to include?

Good luck but you're unlikely to get very far. When one lives in a closed society and is indoctrinated from birth there is little chance that logic and rational thought will get through to him.


36 posted on 05/17/2006 7:08:32 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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The headline is a trick question. You're not supposed to ask of or question Islam at all. Your duty is not to ask a question about Islam but rather simply die.

Methinks that Islamofascists and the Enviro-whackos will ultimately team up since they both totally loathe humanity.

37 posted on 05/17/2006 7:08:56 AM PDT by kromike
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I've had some interaction with muslims over this very subject - no matter how many facts that come directly from the koran you throw at them, they find a way to wiggle out from under it and usually respond with a personal attack as a way to draw you away from the subject.

I suspect there are a lot of muslims who know exactly what the passages in the koran means, and simply don't care if they discomfort a non-muslim. After all, you're just an unclean infidel, and allah hates you. Really, he does.
38 posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:35 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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There is a transcript of a lady whose initials are A.C. and whose name rhymes with pan bolter, (I don’t have a picture to post so I wont mention her name) speaking at a university. In this speech a person of Islamic ancestry ask her why is being a Muslim worse than being a Christian? She responds with more testicular fortitude than any man I have seen. (Saying stuff like we don't rape our women for offenses, etc) I did a quick search on Google and couldn’t find it; maybe someone else has a copy of the transcript.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:38 AM PDT by ConservativeChris
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No. I learned all I need to know on 9/11.

I know the tree by its' fruits...


40 posted on 05/17/2006 7:10:07 AM PDT by null and void (Islam wasn't hijacked on 9/11. It was exposed.)
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Ask him what he thinks of virtually contemporaneous historical texts (Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 15, verses 3-11--making reference to the faith affirmation of Christians that goes back to just a couple of years after the death of resurrection of Jesus) that give strong historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact die, was buried, and was seen gloriously alive by many hundreds of people.

Ask him why Islam refuses to subject the Koran to historical-critical and literary-critical scrutiny.

Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.

41 posted on 05/17/2006 7:11:09 AM PDT by Remole
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I think the questions you mentioned are a good start. But I'm not hopeful that it will go any further, civilly. You mentioned this:

...this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me...

I think that says it all. Where he's coming from, his ideas. Can there be an open, level playing field at this point? He, from his comments you mentioned, seems to be coming from a point where he feels superior to you because he's a misunderstood Muslim and you're an infidel, almost as though he's toying with you or hoping to convert you. And earning points with his Imam for taking on an infidel. I'd tread lightly.

44 posted on 05/17/2006 7:17:13 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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You could ask about supercedence... the fact that what comes later in the Koran supercedes what came earlier. In early passages (when Mohammed was a weak warlord), it was consiliatory. In the later passages (when Mad Mo was stronger), it's time to "kill the infidels wherever you find them."

He won't answer truthfully, though, because of Taqqiyah... the practice of lying to infidels.

If you want to have some fun with him, start a faith dialogue. Ask him if he respects your faith. He does? Good. Jesus taught us to call God "Our Father"... your conversation is over at this point--that's blasphemy. Allah is not a father to the Muslims, he is an enslaver.

46 posted on 05/17/2006 7:21:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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http://www.anti-cair-net.org

Anti -"Council on American-Islamic Relations"
Some good stuff on islamic beliefs, also.


47 posted on 05/17/2006 7:23:00 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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Ask if Muslims wash the blood off, put on something white and pray after they kill. Killing is important, you have to kill infidels everywhere you find them, especially Jews. In the end times, rocks and trees will speak and say, "There's a Jew behind me. Kill him."

Ask why no Muslims ever help other Muslims ex. Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq. Other Muslims just go in to torture and kill. Ask why Sunnis hate Shias. Are they worshipping the Prophet or God? If they're worshipping God, does it matter to whom the Koran was given?


49 posted on 05/17/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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I wouldn't even bother having a discourse with a muslim about their religion for the simple fact that I don't believe islam can be considered an equal to any of the world's living religions.

And that's not hyperbole:  islam is the sole religion which defies the Common Notions of the others.  In this context I'm defining Common Notions as those ideas that are left as common to each religion when their differences are discarded.  For instance, the Golden Rule is voiced in each of the living religions, making it a Common Notion.  

Where lying is roughly "uniformly" considered "self delusion" in eastern religions and "sin" in western religions, it is perfectly acceptable in islam so long as the muslim is lying to a non-muslim.  Murder is not acceptable in any religion except islam, where it is encouraged if the victim is not islamic.  Not only is it encouraged but it's all the better if the muslim is able to use the infidel to their own advantage before the killing.  Although, in all fairness to islam, the victim is supposed to be given the opportunity to repent prior to the murder.

Now, this is not to say that all muslims are bad nor that all Taoists or Christians are good:  there are individuals in every faith who are worthless and evil in every sense of those concepts.  And almost no practitioner of any religion is capable of reaching the ideal goals of their religion: but the highest goals in islam are not absolute:  they are tainted with worldliness.  Seriously, in what other religion is the idea of sex in the afterlife given any serious consideration?  Not only sex but funky monkey sex where a women is reduced to being 1 of 72 sex toys.  

I mean, let's get real here, if you knew a man whose stated goal in life was to have sex with 72 virgins, you would probably consider him a worthless pig of a human being.  Who would want to be friends with a man like that?  His entire life would be devoted to manipulating innocent young girls into bed.  Most people would consider such a man a mentally unbalanced sex predator but in many islamic enclaves, that's part of the reward for a devout life.

Lets face it, there's no reasoning with animals.

50 posted on 05/17/2006 7:25:46 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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Pick up Robert Spencer's book "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam"


51 posted on 05/17/2006 7:26:05 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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If Islam is so superior, ask him why the bulk of our foreign aid and charity goes to helping people live while the bulk of Islamic aid goes to helping people die.


53 posted on 05/17/2006 7:27:20 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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Ask if he's read anything by Dante...


54 posted on 05/17/2006 7:28:26 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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I don't know a lot about Islam, but I do have a few comments.

If you manage to have a productive dialog with this person you may be able to learn about their beliefs and what they believe Islam to be which may or may not be the same as what others believe.

I grew up Catholic, and from my own experience there are some significant differences between the official church teachings on some topics than what is believed by many who are Catholic.

Anyone have questions they want me to include? Are there any websites you can recommend to give me ammo? (there was one that had listed all the evil things in the Koran that I'm trying to find).

It's my understanding that most of the "evil thing" that are commonly mentioned aren't actually in the Koran, but in the Sunnah and Hadith.

The Sunnah seem to be writings on how Muhammad lived his life. The Hadith seems to be more of a narration of how the Prophet lived his life or about things of which he approved.

It seems that the Koran and Sunnah are the central core of Islam. Some Hadith may be as intrgral to Islam as well, but there appear to be some Hadith that are accepted by some sects but not by others. There are likely even sects that only consider the Koran itself as an absolute truth.

As I've said I really don't know a lot about Islam. However the Hadiths like Hadith 9:57, which appears to say kill those who convert from Islam, appear to be accepted as genuine religious teaching by the majority of the major sects.

There are a huge number of Muslims justifying horrible things through Islam, and it seems like only a small portion of Muslims are willing to speak out against such things.

Because of that it's doesn't matter very much to me if the terrorist's portrayal of Islam is accurate or a subversion of Islam. In my opinion it's up to Muslims to determine how their religion is portrayed, and it appears that few care very much if it's portrayed as the religion of terror.

If they are devout and feel that is a horrible subversion of their religion, they should be aggressively working in opposition to those subverting their religion, not complaining that others view them as complicit in terrorism.

Do some web searching on Hadiths and Sunnah. There's a lot of information out there. Try and avoid the heavily biased sites and try finding multiple sources to compare.

55 posted on 05/17/2006 7:30:29 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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Ask him why I need 4 male Muslim witnesses observing my rape before a charge of rape can be made.

Ask him why Muslim men would stand around watching another Muslim man rape a woman.


58 posted on 05/17/2006 7:40:25 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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