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To: Dominic Harr
but I'm not sure he (or anyone) has the guts to really address govt corruption.

Um, I thought we were discussing the Bush immigration plan, not general government corruption.

Government is made up of people. The vast majority of people are corrupt, or would be corrupted if they had the least bit of power. Therefore, government will always have some level of corruption.

240 posted on 05/17/2006 6:53:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Um, I thought we were discussing the Bush immigration plan, not general government corruption.

We are discussing Bush's immigration plan.

The problem with his plan is that it will fail for the same reasons the other attempts to do this did -- the 'system' will not follow the law. In his speach, or in his plan, he doesn't offer any reason to believe his plan will succeed where the others have failed. He didn't even *address* past attempts and why they failed. Instead, he just said he was going to do the same thing others have tried.

I'm surprised at all the folks who seem to have such short memories, personally.

That's why the only solution I can think of is the 'enforcement first' idea. Show us you will give us border security *first*. Only then will we discuss amnesty.

*IF* they do give us real enforcement, then an amnesty would be something that I could discuss. Cuz I then I could be reasonably sure that the situation would not get any worse. But without that enforcement, amnesty creates a nightmare scenario in which millions more illegals would rush here.

"First, stop the bleeding".

241 posted on 05/17/2006 8:12:11 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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