[Wolfstar]

You don't live in the American southwest, do you?

I live in Los Angeles, and I sure as heck do not agree with the extremists who want mass roundups and deportation of illegals, a Berlin Wall on our southern border, and regular Army troops every few feet with orders to shoot to kill. That's what most of the hysterics want, even if they aren't honest enough to admit it.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Red herring, and my apologies for the incorrect assumption.

But you can't honestly believe what you just posted?

Tancredo was just on Bill O'Reilly (thanks to the poster who had the heads-up), and pointed to the very false dichotomy you just posited:

Either repatriate 11,000,000 illegals, or make them citizens.

There is a very logical, very reasonable, and very prudent middle ground - which you would find about 99% of the "border trolls" would enthusiastically support:

1) Build a fence, add border patrol (stop the inflow)
2) Hold all employers responsible for verifying legal status to work in the US, at time of employment
3) As police, and others go about their daily jobs and encounter illegal aliens, then yes deport them. The ones most likely to be "found" this way - are the ones who most likely should be sent back home.

There's no need to make 11,000,000 people who don't see themselves in any way as "Americans", citizens. It's almost absurd to do so.

Those who oppose such a complete sell-out, are opposed on very reasonable, heartfelt grounds.

Not on hate, or extremism. You sound like a socialist when you mischaracterize that way.

Why not just start tossing around the term "right wingers"??

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I live in Los Angeles, and I sure as heck do not agree with the extremists who want mass roundups and deportation of illegals, a Berlin Wall on our southern border, and regular Army troops every few feet with orders to shoot to kill. That's what most of the hysterics want, even if they aren't honest enough to admit it.

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If you will recall, the guards on the Berlin Wall were on machine gun posts, ready to shoot anyone who tried to get out of East Berlin. Not the other way around.

I've heard a lot of Democrats use that analogy, though...

[jammer]

I sure as heck don't want a wall either--after all, some day, we may want to get out. And I don't want militarization of our border either--I want about 50,000 border patrol agents. We've already begun militarization of our police, and we need less, not more, of that.

But two things: don't you think it's a little unfair to say "Berlin Wall"? The purposes are more than a little different. And don't you think the wording and image of "mass roundups and deportations", even though I think that's what SHOULD be done, evokes a middle-of-the-night knock in Nazi Germany that is unfair also?

[pepperdog]

You are so right, I swear some here would not have been satisfied if Bush had said we're going to shoot first and ask questions later. They would complain about the ask questions later part.