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To: politicket

Those are legitimate concerns and gripes with the President... But have you read all of the posts with less than legitimate accusations leveled against the President? They're all over every single immigration thread.

Those are the ones I'm responding to. They demean and cast a shadow over the opinions held by people with legitimate gripes and concerns, and if the extreme posts are allowed to characterize the entire site, then FR will be earning the unearned label of being a right wing, bigotted web site that many people, including a lot of conservatives, believe it to be. The best part about FR that separates it from the DU is the discourse and diversity of opinions, most of them rational and well founded, based on reality. Unfortunately, the posts that stick out tend to be the ones that imitate the DU for their unreal, hysterical tones.

I may be a Bush bot, but I'm as likely to criticize the President when he makes a mistake, or is disingenuous. But I have to say that he is far less often disingenuous than his predecessor, and when he is - it is almost always unintentional or due to a poorly thought out or badly worded statement. Clinton on the other hand was deliberately disingenuous.

As for this President, I'm inclined to let him try it his way. His way may be better than the "do nothing" Congress that we've been saddled with. It may not be as ideal as building a wall 40 feet high, and 30 feet thick, from the Gulf to the Pacific Ocean, but he is the point and I'm willing to give him the lead, or else admit that I wasted my vote. Since I'm not going to admit that Kerry would've been better, I'm willing to put the country into the hands of the man I voted to receive it, and if he has a plan - I say let's try it. If it is like a lot of things he's tried to do and done, it will probably work out better than predicted and at lower costs than expected.


77 posted on 05/15/2006 10:12:48 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000
President Bush's 5 point plan is disingenuous to say the least.

A more realistic initial approach would be to go after the employers that hire the illegals with hefty fines that continue to be imputed on a daily basis until the employer rectifies the situation. Once the jobs dry up then the illegals will have no means of support and will have no choice except to head back to Mexico. We should even provide one-way buses from major cities to assist in the trip back to the border (free of charge to the illegals).

THEN, we should implement a guest worker program, but one with proper structure. The employers that want to use the Mexican labor would need to provide for ALL care of the guest workers. This includes their travel in and out of the country, health care, education, etc., etc. The taxpayers should not have to pay ANY support for the guest workers. Any taxpayer subsidies for guest workers and/or illegals should cease to exist.

I would be President Bush's biggest cheerleader if he were to implement the above solution. It would easily solve the major issues that face us and small business owners like me would finally be able to affort health insurance for my family instead of having my profits stolen to give free services to the illegals.

Can we agree on this?
78 posted on 05/15/2006 10:23:36 PM PDT by politicket
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