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To: Wuli
Except for the numbers (we probably need 20-30K troops/border agents) of guard troops on the border, I thought the plan is a good plan. No way we can deport 11 million people. I'm not wild about the guest worker plan, but it get is through congress there will have to be some compromise.
3,025 posted on 05/16/2006 5:01:30 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Please tell me why anything has to get through congress?????? Whats wrong with the laws on the books NOW!


3,027 posted on 05/16/2006 5:04:31 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Who (not I) suggests deporting 12 million people?

The guest worker program is the worst part of the proposed changes - a time bomb inside a trojan horse. Just look at all the nations now with massive guest worker programs, as either senders of recipients. They are all politically and socially dysfunctional.

Try this for starters:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm


3,099 posted on 05/16/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia; Wuli; Liz

No way we can deport 11 million people.
Strawman argument.

We can't catch every murderer, rapist, or thief either. Shall we just throw up our hands, then, and announce that even though they've violated some laws, they do make valuable contributions to the economy, pay taxes, etc., and therefore, we need to come up with a program to bring them into society rather than trying in vain to hunt them down "like criminals"?

The logic is the same -- and if it's logical logic, it will hold. What stands for one, will stand for the other -- and what fails for one will fail for the other. Examining the logic of a situation in this manner is a standard technique for testing the validity of the logic.

And obviously this "logic" fails the sniff test.

The "there are so many of them that we have to make them legal" argument is logically bankrupt.

"Can't deport them all"? Well, then deport the ones you can deport. (And then watch the rest scurry back home as fast as their feet can take 'em, lest they be the next one's to end up in a "Sheriff Joe"-style abode!)

It's no different from prosecuting purse-snatchers. Sure, you "can't catch them all" -- but, you DO prosecute the ones you CAN catch.

The "can't deport them ALL" nonsense is disingenous strawman term-reframing, masquerading as defeatism.

3,242 posted on 05/17/2006 3:26:43 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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