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I WANT A WALL from coast to coast, but I'm still willing to realise that Bush was closer to pointing to the right direction than not finally on this. Good grief. And I know I am very conservatively socially and fiscally and have been all my life, and I was pleasently surprised by this speach. So I refuse to believe that most border conscious Conservatives are annoyed by this speach. That's bologna. My wife and I both heard it and then both read it and we both got the same thing from it. "Finally. What a turn around for him. Finally proposing many of the things that need to be done to fix the border. It's a good start, more to be done later." I totally reject the idea that most conservatives hated this speach, because the simple fact is, the democrats oppose ALL the things Bush mentioned doing, and they are all things most Americans want done.

If this speach wasn't good enough for some and they can't even say it's a good start, then frankly, they're impossible to please people who have no clue how our system works. You can't change something that big over night, you have to make a gradual course correction over the course of years. It took decades to get this screwed up, it will likely take decades to fix. That's a fact of life and all this b******g and moaning about it doesn't change that reality.

"If this speach wasn't good enough for some and they can't even say it's a good start, then frankly, they're impossible to please people who have no clue how our system works. You can't change something that big over night, you have to make a gradual course correction over the course of years. It took decades to get this screwed up, it will likely take decades to fix. That's a fact of life and all this b******g and moaning about it doesn't change that reality."

I don't want to argue with you, because I don't really care if the border is closed or not. But if I were representing the BorderBots, I'd say this:
Hooey.
Israel built a wall in two years that stopped a guerilla war against it.
The President could have ordered that construction begun NOW, even without Congress. But he didn't propose a wall, or a continuous fence. He proposed nebulous "high tech" fence.
That's not what the BorderBots said they wanted. And it sounds both a lot more expensive and a lot less effective than what they said they wanted.

So, WHY didn't the President just GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANTED? Even his disguised amnesty program (guest worker) probably would have been more palatable (though still not palatable) if he had just flat given them their simple Israeli wall at the border.

So, why DIDN'T he?

I think that it is because business interests do not want that border closed. So Bush knew he had to throw out a lot of proposals that sounded effective, but which, in the end, would not block that flow...and at very worst would be rejected by Congress and leave the status quo.
So he did.

Now, if I were a Border Conservative, I would be walking out the door right now, because it's transparent. There was not one good reason not to give them the wall, unless you don't really want that border closed.

"You can't change something that big over night, you have to make a gradual course correction over the course of years. It took decades to get this screwed up, it will likely take decades to fix."

Tagline...(Want to fix the health care and education systems overnight? Deport all illegals today.)

I'm getting mixed signals here.