Bush to Say Border Not Fully Under Control

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President Bush alienates everyone who voted for him. The "guest worker" program is coming. The National Guardsmen on the border will be prohibited from arresting any illegal aliens, which makes them little more than sugar-coating for a "path to citizenship".

101 posted on 05/15/2006 4:14:48 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)

I recently moved from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Nothing compares to the chaos caused by the illegal occupation in southern Kal.

Then you ain't been around any of these spots. At least in So California you get big bucks for your homes, so I guess "illegals" haven't destroyed everything there.

102 posted on 05/15/2006 4:16:45 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)

And, just so the point isn't lost, the President's proposal may or may not be adequate, but he is trying to do something about the illegal influx -- unlike his predecessor, who mostly ignored this problem along with nearly every problem which crossed his desk.

Jenny,

The president's proposal is a smoke screen, designed to get the base to vote Republican in the next election, nothing more. He is doing exactly what his predecessor has done on this issue.

103 posted on 05/15/2006 4:17:05 PM PDT by Nachum

LOL!
I'm a never-served civilian (work in biological research).
But even though it had some nice moments, I call my time in Los Angeles
a "tour of duty". Just from the hassle of the ever-more-crowded urban
environment and the daily insanity of the local guvmint and the LAUSD ("LA Mummified").
As former radio-show host Ken Hamblin said that he'd done "a tour of duty"
while he was working/living in Detroit for some time, I hijacked the term
for my time in "the big city" of Los Angeles.

I got to admit, LA won't ever be Detroit. The weather will always be
nicer year-round. Even with El Nino!

104 posted on 05/15/2006 4:17:38 PM PDT by VOA

It reminds me of the Japanese Imperial rescript for surrender when the Emperor wrote. "the war has gone not necessarily to Japan's advantage..." Whoa... understatement city!

105 posted on 05/15/2006 4:18:17 PM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)

And, just so the point isn't lost, the President's proposal may or may not be adequate, but he is trying to do something about the illegal influx -- unlike his predecessor,

Not exactly accurate. I'll see if I can find the post I read earlier.

106 posted on 05/15/2006 4:21:39 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)

I'm a never-served civilian (work in biological research).

Ahhh, you got me! LOL

You should know that many people who live here are trying to figure out a way to move, then when they do they try to move back. I guess you can't win.

107 posted on 05/15/2006 4:21:44 PM PDT by Nachum

To: AmusedBystander

Then you ain't been around any of these spots. At least in So California you get big bucks for your homes, so I guess "illegals" haven't destroyed everything there

There are some real good buys in east L.A. and Watts right now. LOL

108 posted on 05/15/2006 4:23:26 PM PDT by Nachum

To: JennysCool; Spiff

Here it is - Compliments of Freper 'spiff'-

Employer Investigation Efforts of U.S. Immigration Authorities:
Fiscal Year Worksite Arrests Notices of Intent to Fine
1993 7,630 1,302
1994 7,554 1,063
1995 10,014 1,056
1996 14,164 1,019
1997 17,554 865
1998 13,914 1,023
1999 2,849 417
2000 953 178
2001 735 100
2002 485 53
2003 445 162
2004 159 3

The average annual worksite arrests under Clinton was 9,329 arrests. The average annual worksite arrests under President Bush is 456. This is a 95 percent reduction in average annual worksite arrests under President Bush.

The average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens under Clinton was 865. The average under President Bush is 79.5. This is a 90 percent reduction in average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens.

And then there is 2004 where, under President Bush, only 3 notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens were done. 3!! But that was President Bush's worst year. Let's compare best years then.

Under Clinton his best year for Worksite Arrests was 1997 with 17,554 reported. President Bush's best year was 2001 with 735 worksite arrests reported. This is a 99.7 percent reduction in worksite arrests under President Bush when comparing best years.

Clinton Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled:
1993 1,285,952
1994 1,074,781
1995 1,364,688
1996 1,643,108
1997 1,555,116
1998 1,743,273
1999 1,755,754
2000 1,861,933
Total over 8 years: 12,284,605
Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,535,575

Bush Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled:
2001 1,432,061
2002 1,084,661
2003 1,076,483
2004 1,238,319
Total over 4 years: 4,831,524
Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,207,881

The average annual total of aliens expelled under President Bush is 327,694 LESS than the average under President Clinton. That is a 21.3 percent reduction in aliens expelled compared between Clinton and President Bush.

Deportable Aliens located in non-border sectors (interior enforcement):
Clinton presidency, last four years:
1997 44,246
1998 39,096
1999 42,010
2000 32,759
Total: 158,111

Bush presidency, first four years:
2001 30,496
2002 25,501
2003 26,492
2004 21,113
Total: 103,602

Total deportable aliens located in interior sectors during the first four years of the Bush presidency represents a 34.4 percent drop compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton presidency.

Deportable Aliens Located:
Clinton Presidency first four years:
1993 1,327,261
1994 1,094,719
1995 1,394,554
1996 1,649,986
Total: 5,466,520

Clinton Presidency last four years:
1997 1,536,520
1998 1,679,439
1999 1,714,035
2000 1,814,729
Total: 6,744,723

Bush Presidency first four years:
2001 1,387,486
2002 1,062,279
2003 1,046,422
2004 1,241,089
Total: 4,737,276

Total deportable aliens located dropped by 29.7 percent in the first four years of the Bush Presidency compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton Presidency.

104 posted on 05/12/2006 12:43:07 PM EDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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109 posted on 05/15/2006 4:23:40 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)

Interesting numbers. Thanks for posting.

110 posted on 05/15/2006 4:26:36 PM PDT by Nachum

111 posted on 05/15/2006 4:28:20 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)

To: tennmountainman

If he does what he says, the country gets screwed anyway, so you are going to see IMO the mother of all revolts in this country over illegal aliens.

This is not good for the country.

112 posted on 05/15/2006 4:31:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)

There are some real good buys in east L.A. and Watts right now.

I doubt those areas have been leading the housing bubble in recent years.

113 posted on 05/15/2006 4:32:28 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)

To: airborne; Spiff

Those are pursuasive figures, but I think you missed the point of my post. As far as I know, President Clinton never addressed the issue directly, certainly not in a nationally-televised address whereas President Bush is taking it on, even if the proposal is not as tough as many on this board would like to see. It just occurred to me: when you get right down to it, those Clinton-era figures, er, figure. Here was the guy who always got all teary over "diversity" and his Administration made more deportations. Figures.

114 posted on 05/15/2006 4:34:42 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I simply do not remember getting out of bed.")

This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Clinton deported more by accident, whereas President Bush's numbers are on purpose.

115 posted on 05/15/2006 4:39:40 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)

It just wasn't that big a deal during the Clinton Administration, at all. I imagine he just basically kept Border Patrol policies and procedures from Reagan and Bush I in place.

116 posted on 05/15/2006 4:46:55 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I simply do not remember getting out of bed.")

It was a whole different world back then.

Pre 9/11 days, when the threat of terrorists coming in across the open borders never concerned the majority of the public.

Now, however, it does. And it concerns us that the flow of illegals has turned into a staedy stream of who knows what.

117 posted on 05/15/2006 4:52:09 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)

To: AmusedBystander

Then you ain't been around any of these spots. At least in So California you get big bucks for your homes, so I guess "illegals" haven't destroyed everything there.

I'm from all over. Born in Louisville. Grew up in Indiana. Also lived in Michigan, Tennessee, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama. Currently in Oklahoma.

The illegals have definitely depressed the areas whereof you (and I) speak. They have virtually destroyed north Tulsa as I'm sure they have St. Louis.

But the carnage in Kalifornia, particularly southern Kal is unbelievable.

They're destroying the infrastructure. Overwhelming social services like no place else. Completely shutting down emergency rooms because they selfishly insist upon using ERs as their primary care provider.

And, yes, in LA for example, a home will sell for twice what it sells for elsewhere. But the (prospective) seller is only rich on paper. The vast majority of them can't afford to move.

Yet thanks to the crimigrants, decent folk don't want to stay.

118 posted on 05/15/2006 4:55:37 PM PDT by LouAvul

And, most importantly:

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!

119 posted on 05/15/2006 5:00:07 PM PDT by WWTD

120 posted on 05/15/2006 7:16:01 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)

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