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"So you can't really deport 11 million in a time frame which would be viewed by most people as "kicking them all out" and impacting on the problem. Deporting 1.5 million per year did not stem the influx. The total number in the country grew. The incentive to try remained because the success rate was still high."

Which happened because the border wasn't controlled, not because we didn't have the capability to deport them.

"So, at the end of 10 years you may have deported 11 million, but you won't have deported "The 11 Million". So at the end of the day, you haven't solved the problem and you haven't addressed the legitamacy of the deport 11 million assertion. A nice dodge, but extremely transparent."

No, at the end of 10 years we could have potentially deported THIRTY million. And what's the point about "legitimacy"?? We're all agreed that these people are NOT here legitimately, so no "legitimacy" question arises.

No, at the end of 10 years we could have potentially deported THIRTY million.

So magically we have gone from the capacity to deport 1.5 million per year to 3 million per year. Wonderful since it would occur in the face of ever increasing and intense legal challenges by the ACLU and other advocacy groups. But I guess things just work out for the best in your world because you want them to.

Again a nice attempted dodge on the "legitamcy" issue. I was not addressing the legitamacy of the aliens, but rather the legitamcy of the premise that you can deport 11 million. Still haven't seen you address that on a practical basis.

I question whether you can control the borders without having control of the illegal population already within the country. If there is a community of illegals for them to enter, the motivated ones will find a way to get in and join it. I am a strong proponent of controlling the borders, but you cannot control the borders without gaining control of the illegal community within the borders. You can't do that if deportation is the primary solution.