I don't know. I bet I could round up 100 illegals daily on my small trips around Houston. Doesn't sound like much, but I'm just one person. So the word gets around here that people ARE being detained and deported. They move to safer ground. Houston is cleaned out and now it's time for "next town" USA to begin their daily duty. Sooner or later, inroads WOULD be made into the illegal problem.
It would be easy to deport them all.
1. IRS and SSA cross compile document and tax fraud
2. ICE/FBI notify employers
3. Employers fire those without proper documentation
4. Illegals self deport.
5. Require money transfers overseas be reported by banks and USPS to IRS and taxed at the rate of the cost of illegals- between 30-40B a year.
"To effectively accomplish that mission there would have to be an expansion of government so vast that the police state that many on FR fear will become a reality.
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1. We have cops on every street corner writing speeding tickets that could be checking I-9 records. A check that is allowed already by law.
2. The IRS and SSA already have the ability to identify most illegals via computer records. They are currently barred from doing so.
3. To say what you did is to say the law cannot be enforced, ever.
We can enforce the law and not cross into violating civil rights.
Exactly!
How many of us have documents that "prove" we're not illegal aliens. I can't find a notarized copy of my birth certificate or my passport. I'd have to order one... Until I order it, how do I prove I'm legal?
There are viable solutions, and in fact at least one post on this thread has already mentioned them. I'm not going to repeat what was said.
susie
As has been said, no need to boot them out. We need to enforce the laws we have. We already have the laws and enforcement mechanisms to heavily fine employers and deny all public services; they will self deport.
Total BS!
500 buses per heavily impacted state, 100, for the lesser impacted, running 24/7 will chip away at the problem quite effectively.
For a lot less than the illegals are costing us, but...
I woud gladly pay for the additional expense even if it is all in addition.
Is that clear enough?
Sorry, but that's simply NOT true. The INS was booting about 1.5 million a year even under Clinton. Close of the border so they can't get in in the first place, fine employers who hire time (after setting up a workable citizinship verification process that lets employers actually check the validity of docments presented), and double the enforcement budget. It'll take a few years to do, but it'll get done, and without your "police state".
Not necessary, if you pay attention to the panic in the illegal community when there are even rumors of raids.
Combine that with document checking cooperation with the IRS and SSA, and employer fines/jail-they will leave.
But of course, people who say it's impossible really don't want to try.
I say that if we can't deport illegals (by attrition or otherwise) and protect the our own borders, then we certainly don't have the ability to nation build in Iraq or Afghanistan, and should get the heck out.
First build the border wall, locate the illegals, using a non-duplicatable national ID card, then take them out slowly until all are back in Mexico, Central and South America, Korea and other illegal worker supplier nations. Fine all employers of illegals and jail those that persist. Is that so difficult? Only for political idiots, America haters and all leftists.
You see the problem is that you have actually thought this one out. The prospect of the American government rounding up and deporting people scares you, as well it should.
The people you find spouting off, don't have any concept of what deportation would actually mean. They also don't seem to have much of a concept of 11 million.
There is no final solution to this problem that does not involve a vastly richer Mexico. The funny thing is that this doesn't really seem to ever cross people's minds as the rant about how horrible NAFTA has been.