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To: areafiftyone
To actually go out and attempt to boot the 11-12-15-18 whatever million illegals is not going to work. To effectively accomplish that mission there would have to be an expansion of government so vast that the police state that many on FR fear will become a reality.

Government comes into your business looking for illegals. Are they just going to focus on the Spanish looking ones or everyone? And, once inside my records, what else are they going to look around for?

Government come into your homes looking for illegals. Anyone want that to become a reality?

Plus, government profiling the Spanish community will erode any gains that the Republicans have made with that bloc. You can pretty much guarantee that the WH, Senate and Congress will go Democrat and you can forget any further border enforcement.


I don't like giving people a free pass on this but unless someone can come up with a viable solution I don't see us doing a massive deportation.
26 posted on 05/15/2006 5:55:51 AM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: misterrob

I don't know. I bet I could round up 100 illegals daily on my small trips around Houston. Doesn't sound like much, but I'm just one person. So the word gets around here that people ARE being detained and deported. They move to safer ground. Houston is cleaned out and now it's time for "next town" USA to begin their daily duty. Sooner or later, inroads WOULD be made into the illegal problem.


60 posted on 05/15/2006 6:02:15 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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To: misterrob

It would be easy to deport them all.

1. IRS and SSA cross compile document and tax fraud
2. ICE/FBI notify employers
3. Employers fire those without proper documentation
4. Illegals self deport.
5. Require money transfers overseas be reported by banks and USPS to IRS and taxed at the rate of the cost of illegals- between 30-40B a year.


65 posted on 05/15/2006 6:02:57 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: misterrob

"To effectively accomplish that mission there would have to be an expansion of government so vast that the police state that many on FR fear will become a reality.
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1. We have cops on every street corner writing speeding tickets that could be checking I-9 records. A check that is allowed already by law.

2. The IRS and SSA already have the ability to identify most illegals via computer records. They are currently barred from doing so.

3. To say what you did is to say the law cannot be enforced, ever.

We can enforce the law and not cross into violating civil rights.


82 posted on 05/15/2006 6:05:50 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: misterrob

Exactly!

How many of us have documents that "prove" we're not illegal aliens. I can't find a notarized copy of my birth certificate or my passport. I'd have to order one... Until I order it, how do I prove I'm legal?


116 posted on 05/15/2006 6:10:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: misterrob

There are viable solutions, and in fact at least one post on this thread has already mentioned them. I'm not going to repeat what was said.
susie


134 posted on 05/15/2006 6:13:52 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: misterrob; mariabush

As has been said, no need to boot them out. We need to enforce the laws we have. We already have the laws and enforcement mechanisms to heavily fine employers and deny all public services; they will self deport.


198 posted on 05/15/2006 6:24:58 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: misterrob
To actually go out and attempt to boot the 11-12-15-18 whatever million illegals is not going to work. To effectively accomplish that mission there would have to be an expansion of government so vast that the police state that many on FR fear will become a reality.

Total BS!
500 buses per heavily impacted state, 100, for the lesser impacted, running 24/7 will chip away at the problem quite effectively.
For a lot less than the illegals are costing us, but...

I woud gladly pay for the additional expense even if it is all in addition.

Is that clear enough?

245 posted on 05/15/2006 6:33:05 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: misterrob
"To actually go out and attempt to boot the 11-12-15-18 whatever million illegals is not going to work. To effectively accomplish that mission there would have to be an expansion of government so vast that the police state that many on FR fear will become a reality."

Sorry, but that's simply NOT true. The INS was booting about 1.5 million a year even under Clinton. Close of the border so they can't get in in the first place, fine employers who hire time (after setting up a workable citizinship verification process that lets employers actually check the validity of docments presented), and double the enforcement budget. It'll take a few years to do, but it'll get done, and without your "police state".

385 posted on 05/15/2006 7:07:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: misterrob

Not necessary, if you pay attention to the panic in the illegal community when there are even rumors of raids.
Combine that with document checking cooperation with the IRS and SSA, and employer fines/jail-they will leave.

But of course, people who say it's impossible really don't want to try.

I say that if we can't deport illegals (by attrition or otherwise) and protect the our own borders, then we certainly don't have the ability to nation build in Iraq or Afghanistan, and should get the heck out.


443 posted on 05/15/2006 7:21:16 AM PDT by bordergal
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To: misterrob

First build the border wall, locate the illegals, using a non-duplicatable national ID card, then take them out slowly until all are back in Mexico, Central and South America, Korea and other illegal worker supplier nations. Fine all employers of illegals and jail those that persist. Is that so difficult? Only for political idiots, America haters and all leftists.


543 posted on 05/15/2006 7:56:43 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: misterrob

You see the problem is that you have actually thought this one out. The prospect of the American government rounding up and deporting people scares you, as well it should.

The people you find spouting off, don't have any concept of what deportation would actually mean. They also don't seem to have much of a concept of 11 million.

There is no final solution to this problem that does not involve a vastly richer Mexico. The funny thing is that this doesn't really seem to ever cross people's minds as the rant about how horrible NAFTA has been.


620 posted on 05/15/2006 8:21:27 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (No one cares if the muzzies are free. It really is about their oil.)
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