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1 posted on 05/15/2006 12:26:49 AM PDT by spetznaz
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Costs for DD(X) have reached low earth orbit with price estimates climbing past $7 billion per ship, versus the original $700 million per ship estimate from the late 1990s.

$7 BILLION?!!! What were they made out of? Gold? That's more than an aircraft carrier! No wonder it was cancelled.

2 posted on 05/15/2006 12:31:08 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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DDX (apparently) cancelled ping!

Weird, and abrupt, development, considering just some months ago the navy had decided to give the project a go-ahead.

Some recent FR threads on the DD(X):

Thread 1

Thread 2

3 posted on 05/15/2006 12:32:59 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: neverdem

ping


4 posted on 05/15/2006 12:39:13 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Pukin Dog

ping.


5 posted on 05/15/2006 12:39:29 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Hasty decision: I'd have built the ships for only $6.5 billion each.


6 posted on 05/15/2006 12:43:31 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: spetznaz

I recall thwn the DD21 (cancelled) was the newest thing in Destoryer concepts. Did the same thing as current destroyers but had a crew of 99 vs 390+ ov current destoyers.

Turned into a game of pile-on. Lets put this on it, we need this technology developed, make it do this. Enter the DD(X).

Going back to the original concept of crew reduction, due to newer, automated systmes is a money save and could pay for itself over time.


7 posted on 05/15/2006 12:46:02 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: spetznaz

The one weapon I'd really like to have for dealing with most of the idiots we're going to need to deal with in the near term would be fully modernized and updated Iowa class battleships, made nuclear if possible. They have sabot rounds for those guns now with a hundred mile range and you're still talking about a thousand pound projectile hitting something.


17 posted on 05/15/2006 1:30:57 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: spetznaz

Can't the US simply outsource its defense to China?


23 posted on 05/15/2006 2:01:34 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: spetznaz

Every time I read about the cost of a new military weapons system/platform, I can't help but recall the HBO movie "The Pentagon Wars" that chronicled the development of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and how it was converted into an overpriced piece of crap whose original mission was mutated by idiots at the Pentagon.

If you want to know how a $600 million ship becomes a $7 billion dollar ship, watch The Pentagon Wars. It will REALLY open your eyes.


26 posted on 05/15/2006 4:15:24 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Very interesting. Seems like the brass might have to rethink the new high tech ideas.


27 posted on 05/15/2006 4:24:36 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: spetznaz

I still hold that techonology could be used to reduce crew size. Even damage control can be automated.

Existing ships could be retrofitted with this technology.


28 posted on 05/15/2006 4:31:30 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: spetznaz
Wow. Seven billion. We've really come full circle from the Bic lighter of surface combatants, the Perry class frigate.

Kinda steep for something that can be wasted by one torpedo.

30 posted on 05/15/2006 4:38:24 AM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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Come on - we all know this money was really spent on the deep water undersea bases and the A12 underwater saucers built with alien technology.
Another successful black program covered up by cost overrun accounting.
I mean, who could waste that much money, really.
Project Stingray - puppets doing the job people won't


34 posted on 05/15/2006 4:52:39 AM PDT by Waverunner
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With the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now expected to have cost as much as $200 billion by the end of the fiscal year.

Can someone out-there in freeper land tell me where 200 billion dollars is going. The war we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan is basicly a Guerilla war in nature,There really are No force on for engagements like in WW2,Korea or Vietnam.We are not losing hundreads of Aircraft every year like in Vietnam or WW2 so where is this money going?


36 posted on 05/15/2006 4:54:39 AM PDT by puppypusher
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"DD(X) has been problematic from inception. Having gone through numerous iterations and name changes, it has apparently proven simply too hairy a new design at a time when blue water naval gunfire has suddenly found itself with little at which to shoot."

The Chicoms must be doing backflips over that one.


41 posted on 05/15/2006 6:19:12 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: spetznaz

We're gonna miss those DDXs if we have to tangle with the PRC...


44 posted on 05/15/2006 7:06:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: spetznaz

We won't win future wars based on technology alone. We need to have greater numbers than our enemies.

Smaller faster ships and fighters, that are easy to use and maintain, are the key. This way we can match the numbers that a China or India can produce.


59 posted on 05/15/2006 8:36:29 AM PDT by SelectiveJNJ
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DDX killed....good. No surprise the F-35 may be headed for death too. Oh, and the P-8 will never see service. Look for new-build P-3s in the future. The Army's M-8 rifle bit the dust too.

The Navy got it right with Super Hornet and the aircraft carrier design tweaks....build on what you already have. It's more affordable. Now their surface ship program managers are going to have to learn the same lessons. The Air Force certainly hasn't learned them. They'll go from a high of 800 F-15s to 274 F-22s.
63 posted on 05/15/2006 9:22:24 AM PDT by DesScorp
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Why build a destroyer that everyone can see when a Fast Attack can do the same mission unseen?

Surface ships have been 'liberalized'. the got what? 1 3" cannon anymore? They've been reduced to nothing more than floating intelligence gatherers.


Fast Attack ping!!!

USS Hammerhead (SSN 663)


81 posted on 05/15/2006 12:24:03 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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