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Scout’s honor? Time to bring the Boy Scouts of America up to date
Pasadena Weekly ^
| 04-27-06
| Hannah Naiditch
Posted on 05/12/2006 3:03:53 PM PDT by fgoodwin
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:03:59 PM PDT
by
fgoodwin
To: fgoodwin
Why is this leftist woman trying to tell the boy scouts what to do?
To: fgoodwin; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...
For a woman to have such an honorable Bilical name Hannah sure is a MA-ROON!
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:09:08 PM PDT
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
To: bahblahbah
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:09:35 PM PDT
by
digger48
To: fgoodwin
Times have changed since the days Baden-Powell formed his Boy Scout movement almost 100 years ago. Those were the days of manifest destiny and empire, when Europeans called the blacks of Africa primitive savages. Maybe the time has come for the Scout oath to represent not the values of the early 1900s, but to reflect the modern democratic values of our nation that are based on a system of inclusion. Oh please... WHO the heck is THIS person to tell the SCOUTS what to DO? The Scouts have every right to exclude people who do not believe in God or who are homosexual. You know, if people want to be Gay I don't care...but when they go pushing it on everyone else that is when I get mad. They are not doing anyone any good, especially themselves.
This article isn't worth the paper it is written on. (and notice... it isn't on paper).
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:09:37 PM PDT
by
trashcanbred
(Anti-social and anti-socialist)
To: bahblahbah
Why is this leftist woman trying to tell the boy scouts what to do?That's a trick question,right? The only time leftists will will allow "intolerance" is when someone who's not a member of the "beautiful people" tries to move into their neighborhood.
To: fgoodwin
Times have changed since the days Baden-Powell formed his Boy Scout movement almost 100 years ago. Those were the days of manifest destiny and empire, when Europeans called the blacks of Africa primitive savages. What a silly argument.
You could say the same about Harvard University, the NAACP, France, General Motors or any other organization that's been around a century or longer.
This ditzy chick should try running her own life, and stop worrying about how other people run theirs.
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:10:51 PM PDT
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: fgoodwin
I think it's time for Hannah to sit down and shut the f*** up.
L
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:11:40 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
To: fgoodwin
Last I checked, the Scouts were a voluntary, private organization. No one forces you to join or buy their popcorn. If you don't like it, start the Atheist Scouts!
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:11:44 PM PDT
by
MikeD
(We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
To: fgoodwin
"Maybe the time has come for the Scout oath to represent not the values of the early 1900s, but to reflect the modern democratic values of our nation that are based on a system of inclusion." PUKE!!!!
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:12:46 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
To: SandRat
The values of Baden-Powell are not the kind of values that form the basis of a free society. Pish-tosh! The values of General Lord Baden-Powell result in men who defend a free society for nincompoops like this writer. (In fact, I hope my Boy Scouts would have good enough manners not to call her a nincompoop :-).
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:14:57 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
To: fgoodwin
...but to reflect the modern democratic values of our nation... I don't think that moral high ground is obsolete. The folks in Sodom and Gomorrah probably shunned their "goodie-two-shoes" as well. Only the morally depraved segments of our Nation would like to see high standards of morality discarded. The rest of us don't buy into the author's arbitrary assignment of what constitutes good character traits.
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:17:31 PM PDT
by
GingisK
To: fgoodwin
How is it that the Scouts can receive money from charitable groups for decades, don't change their rules and now be considered discriminatory?
Hypocrisy on the donors part?
BTW - I used to give them $50 a year, Now it is a $100 just out of spite to the gays and femi-nazis.
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:18:27 PM PDT
by
llevrok
(When they come to take my guns, I will give them the lead first....)
To: fgoodwin
Hmm...Hannah is evidently suggesting that a flawed founder with distasteful beliefs permeates an organization and invalidates its message, and that the organization ought to be changed as a consequence. I'm fine with that.
We were talking about Margaret Sanger and Susan B. Anthony, weren't we?
To: fgoodwin
Ya know, old Hannah's right. I'm going to march down to the nearest Girl Scout's office and demand to join up. Never mind the fact that I'm an adult male. The Girl Scouts are using out-dated values that exclude me from joining. And that's not fair.
And I'm not going to start my own group with its own membership requirements. No way. I'm gonna pitch a whiny fit and make the world adjust to ME.
And if I don't get my selfish way, I'm gonna blind that organization with a flurry of nuisance lawsuits claiming that they're infriging ON MY RIGHTS to be a 10-year-old girl in an adult male body.
/end sarc...
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:18:58 PM PDT
by
kromike
To: goodnesswins
"Maybe the time has come for the Scout oath to represent not the values of the early 1900s, but to reflect the modern democratic values of our nation that are based on a system of inclusion." Yep....until Condelezza Rice comes to a collage to speak!
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:22:05 PM PDT
by
Bommer
To: fgoodwin
Boy Scouts do accept nonbelievers. I am an Eagle Scout and I am Agnostic (we don't take sides on the religious debate). In my Eagle Scout Review Board I was asked about my religious beliefs. I told them that I didn't have any. They pondered at how they could pass a person to the level of Eagle Scout if he did not believe in God. I took the God and Country religion course. I went to church for years before rejecting the God view of the world. I told them that I had beliefs. And, that if those beliefs were not the same as theirs, the fault is not in my character but in their inability to form a logical argument to persuade me to their position.
Passed... Eagle Scout at age 14.
To: fgoodwin
If you want to read about B-P, see if you can find:
Baden-Powell - The Two Lives of a Hero
"Baden-Powell - The Two Lives of a Hero
William Hillcourt
Out of Print - Rare Book
The definitive biography of Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of the Boy Scout movement. William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt was the author of many of the Boy Scout Handbooks, the first Scoutmaster for Wood Badge, and a personal friend of Baden-Powell.
Two Lives of a Hero covers the two, quite different careers of Lord Baden-Powell, first as a Colonel in the British Army and British national hero; the second, as founder of the largest Youth movement in the world.
This book has been published in several languages and editions and sold hundreds of thousands of copies worldwide!
Author: William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt
with Olave, Lady Baden-Powell
480 pages, hardback.
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:26:03 PM PDT
by
SmithL
(I used to be an Eagle, A good old Eagle, too.)
To: fgoodwin; SandRat; aculeus; Senator Bedfellow; Billthedrill
According to Rosenthal, he used the swastika because he was a Nazi sympathizer, while Jeal blames it on Baden-Powells naiveté and his stubborn claim that the symbol meant good luck in Sanskrit.Ill plead ignorance regarding Baden-Powells sympathies, but as for the Sanskrit swastika, dictionaries make a similar stubborn claim.
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:30:20 PM PDT
by
dighton
To: fgoodwin
Hannah, my son's scout troop has been around 96 years (supported by the same Methodist church the whole time too). The values taught by scouting are timeless, and as valuable now as when Troop 1 of Santa Barbara was first organized. Why don't you go soak your head?
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posted on
05/12/2006 3:30:46 PM PDT
by
RKV
( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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