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Judge strikes down exit exam
Contra Costa Times ^ | 5/12/6 | Shirley Dang

Posted on 05/12/2006 2:28:51 PM PDT by SmithL

An Alameda County judge granted the wish of 47,000 high school seniors Friday after abolishing the exit exam as a graduation requirement this year.

Superior Court Judge Robert Freedman ruled that students who earn enough credits may receive a diploma, regardless of their performance on the test.

State Superintendent of Schools Jack O'Connell is expected to appeal the injunction immediately. The state will seek a reversal that would become effective before the end of the school year, according to a request for a stay on the decision filed today.

The decision deals a significant blow to the future of the exit exam, which faces three lawsuits in all. By granting a reprieve to this year's seniors, Freedman set the stage for similar decisions on any injunctions filed in successive years, essentially nullifying the law.

The Legislature approved the law creating the test, which measures sophomore English and middle-school math skills, in 1999. O'Connell wrote the legislation as a state senator with the intention of evening out differences in graduation standards among high schools statewide, thereby giving meaning to the diploma.

At last count, 89 percent of the state's seniors, or 390,000 out of 437,000, had passed. A remaining 47,000 seniors, not including special education students, have not.

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


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To: Ivana Denisovich

European style of education would be better

Kind of, but I really don't think that Europeans are much better from what I can tell. This might actually sound a bit hypocritical when I say my next sentence. I actually agree with you about the testing in 9th or 10th grade. I mean this way if they have to be held back it would not be the senior year. I guess another problem with this particular story is that they are failing or want to fail seniors that have one month of school left. It does not seem to be a win win for anybody. I mean out of 46,000 how many will say forget it and just drop out one month prior because they will be discouraged. If these kids had failed an actual school class and some students find out they fail one month before but to me that is a different siutation because you should have some sort of feeling throught the quarter year etc that you may not fail. Taking a state exam as a requirement to get a high school degree and you do not pass one month before than you are stuck. No notice. I mean goodness a bad night of sleeping could affect these kids maybe or some just don't have the ability either way one month before graduation just seems harsh to me.


61 posted on 05/12/2006 6:08:28 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SmithL

When did high school graduation become a right? By definition, a diploma is a certificate of discrimination: it purports to identify those who are educated to a given level from those who are not. If HS diplomas cannot be issued on a discriminatory basis, then I want one issued to my eight year old right now.


62 posted on 05/12/2006 6:18:29 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: napscoordinator
Taking a state exam as a requirement to get a high school degree and you do not pass one month before than you are stuck.

I don't know about the seniors this year, but I do know that kids in the 10th grade are taking the test next year. That means they will have 3 years to take the section(s) of the test that they don't pass. I think that is pretty lenient. Especially since most kids can pass it in 10th grade.
63 posted on 05/12/2006 6:31:22 PM PDT by Ivana Denisovich (Middle-class Americans: Paying the taxes and doing the work the illegals won't.)
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To: Amelia
I'm not sure if I'd put the percentage as high as 90%, though. I know quite a few very good teachers who could do other things, but love to teach.

Well, it may be in state I'm in. They pay quite well compared to some other states, so many people get into it for the higher salary. Those with the rather useless degrees, that is. ie., There are a lot of coaches trying to passs the math exam in order to teach math since PE jobs are being phased out. I don't think we get the best math teachers with the most enthusiasm and knowledge of their subject that way!
64 posted on 05/12/2006 6:33:55 PM PDT by Ivana Denisovich (Middle-class Americans: Paying the taxes and doing the work the illegals won't.)
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To: Ivana Denisovich
There is no question that these kids must pass the exit exam. The skills being tested are those which are requisite for all citizens. Reading, writing and mathematics are important in every field. I wonder how the judge would feel if those kids that flunked worked on the jet aircraft that he flies in, or dispensed his prescription drugs, or repaired the brakes on his Mercedes. The point is a lot of job fields may not require a college education but do require quality individuals with a good basic education in order to keep society safe.
65 posted on 05/12/2006 8:06:39 PM PDT by pterional
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To: pterional

BTW, have you heard of any vocational schools? How do people train to become plumbers, mechanics, etc., these days?


66 posted on 05/12/2006 8:27:54 PM PDT by Ivana Denisovich (Middle-class Americans: Paying the taxes and doing the work the illegals won't.)
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To: napscoordinator
I guess another problem with this particular story is that they are failing or want to fail seniors that have one month of school left. It does not seem to be a win win for anybody.

I'm not sure about California, but in our state students start taking the test as 11th graders, and get 5 or 6 chances to pass before graduation.

They do get the results from the final test about 3 weeks before graduation, but they've had several chances to pass before that.

67 posted on 05/13/2006 5:34:06 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Ivana Denisovich
All students are expected to complete the requirements to get into a college, and those that can't feel less than. We need good mechanics, plumbers, and electricians - and they make darn good money, looking at what they charge!

Again, I agree totally - and jobs like mechanic, plumber, electrician, and carpenter can't be outsourced.

In our area, some of the jobs such as carpenter and brickmason are now mostly being done by Mexicans, and I think that's partially because we aren't training young people to do that sort of job as much anymore, and partially because we're teaching our young people that doing that sort of job is "beneath them".

Even someone in a vocational field will need math at a middle school level and to be able to comprehend material written at a 10th grade level. It would benefit them to get up to that level, if they aren't already -to read plumbing manuals or the electrical code.

Not to mention that reading newspapers, voting, managing a bank account, paying taxes, and other responsibilities of everyday life require a certain skill level in reading and math.

68 posted on 05/13/2006 5:39:11 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Ivana Denisovich
I don't think we get the best math teachers with the most enthusiasm and knowledge of their subject that way!

One thing that worries me is elementary education. It seems to me that two types of people go into elementary education: those who really want to teach young children, and those who can't succeed at other college majors.

An elementary education degree is not very demanding (or at least it wasn't when I was in college, and I can say that from having taken some of the courses - I don't think it's changed much since then).

I took a "Teaching Math in the Elementary School" course in 1976 or 1977, and there were potential teachers there who had trouble doing math at a 6th grade level, and didn't like science or math anyway.

There's another thread posted yesterday about the best high schools in the United States, and there was a line in the original article about "the best way to improve high schools is to improve elementary and middle schools". I think that's quite true - if they don't have the skills when they reach high school, it's difficult if not impossible to teach them at a high school level.

69 posted on 05/13/2006 5:45:42 AM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia

I'm not sure about California, but in our state students start taking the test as 11th graders, and get 5 or 6 chances to pass before graduation.



Thank you. I was watching FOXNEWS after I was on line and they said they get to take it six times plus it is multiple choice and has questions as if you have a product that costs 100 dollars and it is 25 percent off, how much do you save. Well I change my mind and find that if they can't pass this type of test than maybe I am on the side of the pro-test people.


70 posted on 05/13/2006 6:03:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SmithL

Yet another leftist judge legislating from the bench. How quaint.


71 posted on 05/13/2006 6:11:14 AM PDT by Hoodat ( Silly Dems, AYBABTU.)
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To: napscoordinator
Well I change my mind and find that if they can't pass this type of test than maybe I am on the side of the pro-test people.

You have my "FReeper of the Week" award...very few people would admit here on the forum that they've changed their minds about anything! :-)

72 posted on 05/13/2006 4:41:32 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Amelia
I am so humble about the "award" but that is what Free Repubuclic is so much about. Honestly if I new everything about being a good conservative, I would not need FREEPERS. I think all of us deserve the award. thank you so much though!!!!
73 posted on 05/13/2006 5:39:03 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SmithL
Superior Court Judge Robert Freedman ruled that students who earn enough credits may receive a diploma, regardless of their performance on the test.

As if California high school diplomas weren't worthless enough already. Maybe Lord Freedman could order a Master's degree to be given to all the students.

74 posted on 05/13/2006 5:46:09 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
I went back to college in my mid 30's to complete a degree. I was already in business, had a family, but just wanted to get the degree. After completing all the courses in 4 semesters, by taking 21 to 23 credit hours per semester, the college told me I had to take an exit exam. No pass or fail, I get the degree regardless of my test scores. Problem was, I owned a business and didn't want to needlessly waste 3 1/5 hours on their exit exam. They got really pi$$ed when I answered A on all the multiple choice questions, true on all the T F questions, and ignored the essay questions.
75 posted on 05/13/2006 5:57:02 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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