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Gibson inspired by 'fear-mongering' Bush (Mel Gibson)
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Posted on 05/12/2006 8:55:00 AM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly

Film star and director Mel Gibson has launched a scathing attack on US President George W Bush, comparing his leadership to the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilisation in his new film Apocalypto.

The epic, due for release later this year, captures the decline of the Maya kingdom and the slaughter of thousands of inhabitants as human sacrifices in a bid to save the nation from collapsing.

Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power.

He tells British film magazine Hotdog, "The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys".


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To: streetpreacher
Maybe not relevant that I'm older except to give you a better Iddea of my perspective. Rummy and Cheney are neocons? Thought they were always conservatives. Nothing wrong with being a life-long Republican. Republican Party principles are admirable, if lived by. And I do not have blind party loyalty, particularly when I don't agree with what my party leaders are doing. That really is an indictment of them rather than immutable Republican Party principles. But we have a two-party system and I would rather vote for the lesser of two evils (still the Republicans) than throw away my vote on a third party, or in reality, ensure victory of the Demonrats who, believe it or not are significantly worse. We are stuck with the system we have. We also are stuck with an electorate that is fickle and easily swayed, and one who will blame the president for all manner of things he can not control, and, as well, in better times, give heim credit for that which he had nothing to do with. Disagree with Bush and the Republicans (some of them) all you want but it's foolish to deny progress has been made in some areas. And Monday it appears that GWB, kicking and screaming, will present a plan that creeps closer to controlling the border. Not nearly enough, but one hopes better than what we have now.
321 posted on 05/13/2006 4:51:55 AM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
"The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys".

Internal Enemies Device

322 posted on 05/13/2006 4:57:49 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: blueminnesota; SJackson; dennisw; Hildy
Gibson is insane, pure and simple.

Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!

323 posted on 05/13/2006 5:30:03 AM PDT by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Fortunately, I gave this maniac no money for 'Passion' and will continue to ignore him. I knew he was an ego-maniac!!


324 posted on 05/13/2006 9:06:14 AM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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To: Darkwolf377

HE's taken some good positions, like supporting TErri Schiavo. I thought he fundraised for bush too. Whatever, they can lock him up for treason and throw away the key now, for all i care


325 posted on 05/13/2006 11:44:55 AM PDT by alenapaige
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Mel's dad took the family to Australia in part because of his disgust at Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam. Mel's got a lot of the paleoconservative, isolationist, Catholic traditionalist, and even the libertarian in his background. That probably has as much to do with his reaction as any effort to court Hollywood liberals.

Gibson certainly goes too far here, but I can understand his sentiments about the administration and Iraq. For some people Bush is a lot like Johnson, and their emotions about him have gotten as extreme and envenomed as feelings about Lyndon Johnson were four decades ago.

It's the price of taking a new, ambitious, and risky turn in foreign policy. Perhaps the gamble pays off in the end, but in the meantime, those who propose and implement it have to deal with a lot of objections. Add gas prices and Katrina and indifference to big government and deficits to casualties and reversals in Iraq and you can see why some people think and talk like Mel now.

326 posted on 05/13/2006 11:56:57 AM PDT by x
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To: Captain Kirk
Gibson isn't a pacifist but he is against Wilsonian crusades to bring "liberty" to the every corner of the planet. Conservatives used to feel the same way when Clinton was in power.

Bringing liberty to Afghanistan and Iraq (same war, same enemy) was part of the exit plan, which can be debated. But the war is, was and always will be about taking out The Taliban and Saddam Hussein, and engaging the radical islamists where they live, train and work. Which, despite all the moans and protests, is precisely what's happening. We're fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We're fighting them in Iraq. And they haven't been able to hit us at home in five years. The war wasn't some arbitrary expansion of democracy, it was a response to an atrocity that came to our shores in the name of islam. And it's being won, despite these constantly attempts to demean the mission.

As to Clinton and the nonexistent conservative double-standard, if Clinton had been honest about the first WTC attack and its origins in 1993 and responded adequately (rather than firing a couple of cruise missiles at Iraqi intelligence headquarters in the middle of the night a few months later), conservatives would have supported him. I know I would have. But providing air cover for the KLA and the islamists in Kosovo was an entirely different matter. There is no rational comparison between Afghanistan/Iraq and Kosovo.

327 posted on 05/13/2006 12:15:35 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

We are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq now, precisely because this war (e.g. destruction of the Ba'thist secular regime, created new recruting opportunities for them. Iraq is not a fly-paper but a fly hatchery for Islamofascists. Let me also note that our allies in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been persecuting and expelling Christians and women with our tax dollars.


328 posted on 05/13/2006 12:21:26 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
We are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq now, precisely because this war (e.g. destruction of the Ba'thist secular regime, created new recruting opportunities for them.

A secular regime where every official document begins with the words "In the name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate". A secular ruler who added the words "Allah Akbar", written in his own hand, to his nation's flag.

Iraq is not a fly-paper but a fly hatchery for Islamofascists.

For Zarqawi, it most definitely was fly-paper, but I digress. The fall of Hussein didn't create recruiting opportunities for the islamists, our response to their act of war did (i.e., the fact that we were there). That doesn't mean these terrorists from across the Middle East weren't already ready, willing and able to kill kafir for Allah, it just means our presence there gave them the opportunity to do it. Should we not respond to the mass slaughter of our civilians because our response might be seen as aggression by some terminally misguided future jihadis in the middle east?

In every war this will ever fight, the enemy will always propagandize our efforts and use that to recruit and motivate resistance. That's the nature of war. It's not a sound basis for opposing this one.

329 posted on 05/13/2006 12:55:21 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jan in Colorado

I don't support the President on practically anything and haven't for years. Doesn't make me any less of a conservative though. Of course in the minds of the simple, like Hannity, it probably does. But I could care less.


330 posted on 05/13/2006 9:12:53 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
I don't support the President on practically anything and haven't for years.

Neither does the anti-American,anti-military, leftist, commie liberals, France or the ENEMEDIA. That puts you in great company!

Doesn't make me any less of a conservative though.

True!

My point is that some on this thread are accusing Mel Gibson of "changing" because of his success and thinking that he is NOW trying to win back the favor of the Hollywood liberals. IMO that is not the case. He has NEVER been a supported of George W. Bush, and it is a mistake to assume that because someone makes a religious movie, or is against abortion, (or in your case is a conservative), that doesn't automatically mean that person does or ever has supported President Bush.

You say you are a conservative, I will take your word on that. I have no idea where Mr. Gibson stands, and I really don't care.

331 posted on 05/14/2006 6:10:11 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war.))
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation's insecurities to maintain power.

So what else is new?

Gibson, meet Mencken (circa 1921):

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

333 posted on 05/16/2006 4:57:22 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

bump


334 posted on 07/29/2006 2:55:36 PM PDT by Checkers (Mort Kondracke: "Kennedy has been character assassinating Judicial nominees since...Haynesworth.")
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Nice knowing ya, Mel. Buh Bye.


335 posted on 07/30/2006 11:36:02 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Thanks for putting our boys in harms way, Rep. Murtha, you treasonous jack@ss!)
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To: sitetest
Well, this isn't the denial thread, but take a look at this and the date it was posted.
336 posted on 08/02/2006 5:08:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: The South Texan

"If I could return my copy of the Passion of the Christ to get my money back, I would."

Wouldn't it be something if a bunch of us all of sudden started dumping all of our used copies of our DVD on ebay?


337 posted on 08/02/2006 5:13:36 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: nopardons

Dear nopardons,

Why do I care about this?

I've never, ever said that Mel Gibson is a conservative of any stripe.


sitetest


338 posted on 08/02/2006 5:37:50 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Because it is VERY political and different from just name calling.

Good grief.....get off that damned pedestal and come back down to earth!

339 posted on 08/02/2006 5:53:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Dear nopardons,

"Because it is VERY political and different from just name calling."

Actually, I agree. Mr. Gibson, in comparing Mr. Bush's "fear-mongering" to the feel of his movie, is speaking POLITICALLY. So Mr. Gibson's an idiot liberal.

I coulda told you that a while back.

SO WHAT??

What does that have to do with his DUI, his alcoholism, his nutjob father, his anti-semitic rantings, his apologies, etc.?

His political views, stupid and uninformed as they may be, aren't relevant, aren't of the same quality or kind, aren't anywhere near as evil or vexatious, as the stuff he said while drunk.


sitetest


340 posted on 08/02/2006 5:59:08 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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