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What spy agency might do with your telephone calls
The Seattle Times ^ | May 12, 2006 | Brian Bergstein

Posted on 05/12/2006 3:10:38 AM PDT by SUSSA

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To: spatso

Because many who now call themselves conservatives are what we used to call “Rockefeller Republicans”. They aren’t small government conservatives or personal responsibility conservatives, or personal liberty conservatives, like Goldwater, Buckley, or Reagan.

They are big government conservatives. They are only conservative when compared to people like John Conyers.

Back in 1960 JFK was a liberal. Today he would be considered a right wing extremist by the Republican leadership. It just shows how far we’ve slid into the slime pit of big government socialism.


81 posted on 05/12/2006 6:51:43 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Okay, but, how do people who choose to be conservative, in terms of their own self understanding, fail to grasp the notion of freedom as an individual versus collective right. Liberals believe the government has a right to intrude because it protects a greater collective right. Conservatives are reluctant to endorse any government intrusion of individual freedom. Data mining does not bother me. Common sense tells me it is a security matter and I can live with the Courts authorizing this intrusion into my affairs. What bothers me is conservatives not recognizing how challenging a test this is for us.


82 posted on 05/12/2006 7:12:40 AM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso

Because under this new definition of “conservatism” rights are collective, not individual, and government isn’t the problem, it is the answer. It’s the same old New Deal/Great Society crap under a new name. In government New Speak old fashioned socialism in compassionate conservatism.


83 posted on 05/12/2006 7:22:58 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Use it in good health, Diana.


84 posted on 05/12/2006 7:30:47 AM PDT by Peach
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To: eyespysomething
I've learned to be skeptical when the government tells me they are or aren't doing something.

Like I said, if the government can abuse it, they will abuse it.

85 posted on 05/12/2006 7:47:13 AM PDT by RightWinger
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To: Yo-Yo

Widespread abuses cannot exist without the cooperation of a corrupt media. If a President is corrupt, and the President appoints a corrupt Attorney General, there are limitless possibilities to harass and intimidate political opponents so long as a biased media ignores the abuses. That is what was happening on a huge scale in the Clinton Administration. And it will happen again in a future Clinton Administration. What is today is called "data mining" can turn into an enemies list in the future.


86 posted on 05/12/2006 7:56:57 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Enterprise
President Clinton and NSA head Livingstone assure the nation that data mining is only being used against terrorists. "Everything the NSA does is legal." Livingstone told the fawning nation.
87 posted on 05/12/2006 8:07:41 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Hee hee. If you can't trust Livingstone, well, who can you trust?


88 posted on 05/12/2006 8:10:59 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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