Thinking of Throwing a Tantrum in November?

Shameless Vanity | 5-11-06 | Burr5

[blake6900]

Any and I mean ANY politician not in accord with those is a damned thieving socialist and no better than Hugo Chavez or hillary. Fair enough...I'm sure she (Hillary) will appreciate your efforts that help put her in the White House. BTW, let me know when you discover any politician that completely meets your criteria. I'm thinking you'll be doing a lot of research trying to find one.

[blake6900]

Great post!

Thanks. I appreciate it. It just galls me how short-sighted some of these people can be. What they don't understand is they really are not much different from the MoveOn.org crowd. Both have no room for compromise and both are willing to, coining an old but appropriate phrase, throw the baby out with the bath water.

Too often conservatives are willing to let good be the enemy of perfect which explains why Democrats held control of Congress for so long. When these people screw up the works I hope they have the courage to accept responsibility for what they've done, particularly when Hillary is sworn into office. But more likely than not they'll just continue to b!tch and moan.

[nopardons]

Ahem...I KNOW that you should stop posting, since you have neither the knowledge nor the ability to debate.

Frankly, you are beyond being utterly clueless. How so? Well, for starters, LIEberman is NOT "respected" at all; let alone "well respected", by many. Heck, the Orthodox Rabbinate threw him out of that branch of Judaism. The Dems are trying to get rid of him and the GOPers can't stand him.

Rice? Condi's not only NEVER held a single elected office, she hasn't EVER run for one and has repeatedly stated, unequivocally, FOR YEARS, that she doesn't EVER want to be president or run for any office whatsoever! And the fact that you don't know where she stands on anything, is partly because she hasn't talked about it much and partly because you don't spend enough time reading FR.

Both parties are "uniting against Bush ( and that would be PRESIDENT Bush, kiddo !), in two places...your delusional brain and in parts of the far lefty MSM; ONLY!

You just keep posting and posting and posting DNC talking points. If you want to keep that up...go post on DU.

You are the one who is INSULTING yourself, by posting reply after reply, which are all error filled, befuddled, spurious, ill conceived, factless verbal vomit. You may imagine that you really do and understand history and politics, but you don't.

Oh yeah...President Bush resigns, just like that and Cheney becomes president? Why on earth are you assuming that a Dem controlled House doesn't also go after V.P. Cheney, whom they hate more than President Bush?

And, FYI...in order for a President Cheney to have a V.P. Rice, guess who has to okay the nomination? And you "think" ( and I am using that word as loosely as possible !) that she will just automatically be okayed? IN WHAT BLOODY UNIVERSE?

And then, THEN, Cheney RESIGNS?

Besides all of that being on about a kindergarten, at best, level of comprehension, it is not only absurd, beyond any logical reasoning, insufferably stupid, naive, and laughable in the extreme!

Frankly, I know ten year olds, who know and understand history and politics better and in more depth than you do. You should be ashamed of yourself!

President Bush was NOT "the lesser of two evils" in 2000! He has been a good president; though one who badly needs to get his positions and accomplishments out far more than he has done.

No, you really aren't a Conservative at all. You are a political naif who assumes that you know far more than you do and who also has no comprehension, whatsoever, what Conservatism is, how politics works, and anything at all about hows our form of government works. I know how badly you want to believe otherwise, but you are a lost child, wandering around, proclaiming who and what you are, with absolutely no basis for either.

Please do yourself a HUGE favor....read and read and read and when you've done with that, spend even more time reading FR's archives and fact based, unbiased history and political books.

[nopardons]

Sadly, FR has grown too big, far too fast and has attracted 1) a LOT of trolls, pretending that they are Conservatives 2) a LOT of ill educated people 3) a LOT of the dog in the manger/cut off your nose to spite your facers ( replacing the old ZOTTED ones, who got the bullet back in 2000 ) 4) a bunch of retreads, hiding behind their third, fourth, fifth, or more incarnations 5) political naifs who just don't "get it" and never shall.

Your post was great and so, I let you know it was and that I appreciate, greatly, your posting it. :-)

There has always been a small group of malcontent UNAPPEASEABLES here, but their numbers appear to have grown substantially. These people were NEVER so happy, as during the 8 long, weary, rotten years of Clinton. The fact that the rest of us were also miserable, made them happier than a pig in mud; which is utterly disgusting and contemptible!

Losing, for them, is like wining is for us. They really do NOT want to win and never, not ever, back a candidate who CAN actually win, so that they can all pretend that IF that person had won, then THAT person ( who is able to walk on water, save the world, and stop all war, BTW. LOL ) would do everything, EVERYTHING, that these people claim that they want.

You've nailed it all and quite succinctly, in your latest post. Congrats and another big BRAVO !

[tlj18]

OK, I failed last time, so let me give it another try...

Sadly, your opinions are specious; not to mention based on ridiculous and completely ill informed MSM garbage.

I'll have you know I don't read, listen or watch the MSM.

Knowledge and understanding of factual history, would help give you a sounder foundation upon which to base your opinions on. Take, for example, the salient fact that the GOP had been out in the wilderness ( read that as OUT OF POWER ), re both Houses, for more than forty, that's FORTY years, until very recently.

Yes - I actually am well aware of that.

And handing power back to the damned Dems, now, WILL get you abandoned and/or killed, for NO good reason, should you join the military. Tell me, how do you look in robin's egg blue? You know, the color of the UN's helmet? I hope it's a good color for you, because that's the ONLY color YOU will be wearing, with a Dem president and at least one House in Dem hands.

I will tell you that is a very real worry of mine. If that happened, I would very seriously consider refusing that order and gladly take the court-martial and jail time. I will not fight for the enemy. But you know, Clinton was president for 8 years and that didn't happen. I don't mean to offend, but people sometimes throw out nightmare scenarios of what would happen if the opponent gets elected, which often do not. But there is, of course, the case of Jimmy Carter. His actions made the installation of the Islamic Republic of Iran possible, and the IRI has, in turn, killed or assisted in killing about 6,000 Americans. What is more likely to happen is that the U.S. would join the International Criminal Court (ICC), which is almost as worse.

You're also dead wrong about Israel and what they'll do when threatened by a full bore attack by Iran.

I think the threats have already arrived. Look, I am 90% sure military action would be taken, but not 100%. Israel attacking Iran involves more than just Israel and Iran, as I'm sure you are well aware.

Sadly, you neither know nor understand history nor politics. You can claim to be a political junkie till the cows come home, but frankly, no, you really aren't one at all. If you were one, you WOULD know and understand far more than you now do.

I do know and understand far more than is coming across to you. I just don't know what else I can say to convince you. Maybe I'm just too tired and my thoughts aren't coming out the greatest (after all, I've slept only 4.5 hours in the last 25.5).

For instance, everyone, EVERYONE here knows that polls stink and can and ARE made to say whatever whoever is paying for the poll, wants it to.

I do understand that, I have for many years. But when multiple organizations run polls that have approximately the same numbers, either they all do it the same crooked way, they are all conspiring together, or it is a true measurement. Are you suggesting that Bush's stated 20-point drop is illusory, that he has the same support he did at his re-election?

And if polls (not exit polls) are as unreliable as you suggest, then why do they often predict the outcome of an election? Look, I know you can fix a poll to get the result you want. I know that. But that isn't why his rating is dropping. The media didn't just decide to drop Bush down. He's responsible for that.

I haven't the time nor inclination to attempt to bring you up to speed and give you the education you've never gotten.

I'm sorry, but I have already received that education. Please tell me, how else can I prove it to you (I'm being serious) ?

[RedStateRocker]

" BTW, let me know when you discover any politician that completely meets your criteria"
I shall. And please let me know when you notice any difference between being screwed by a socialist weasel that calls themselves a Democrat and a socialist weasel that calls themselves a Republican when the only difference between them is what they call themselves and which demographics they pander to. I've never been as embarrassed to be a Republican as when Frist proposed that $100 rebate; I mean it was BOTH really dumb AND as contrary to what I consider the core values of our republic (as opposed to the empire that seems to beckon any nation state as powerful as we are), the disgusting demagoguery to bribe the masses, but so stupidly done that even the dumbest person felt their intelligence insulted. Not just offering a bribe but offering such a small one that EVERYONE perceived it as an insult.

[nopardons]

Look kid, I know that you mean well; well, as well as you are able...but for a change, try just shutting up and read FR. The more you post, the more stupid you appear.

You claim that Clinton didn't put many of our military under the UN. That is not only 100% incorrect, but would be hysterically funny, if it wasn't so damned pathetic.

And joining the military, with a view to stamping your wee feet and begging for a court-marstial, should a Dem CIC order you to do something that sticks in your craw, is something a two year old would come up with! Please don't join up.

I just don't believe, for a moment, that you neither read nor watch the MSM. How else can you explain the fact that you post DNC talking points over and over and over and over and OVER again? Channeling? Using a crystal ball? You're really a pod person and some Dem has taken over your mind? LOL

I don't care how little sleep you are typing on ( and if you're sleep deprived, THAT much, GO TO BED ! ), you've proved, repeatedly, that you are as ill educated and clueless as I have stated. Lack of sleep isn't your problem; abject lack of knowledge and comprehension is!

BTW...it is patently obvious that you know almost nothing whatsoever about the toon's military "adventures". Do you even have a glimmer of an idea about Kosovo? How about what went down in various African nations? Ever seen "BLACKHAWK DOWN" pet? I c ould go on and on, but, as it stand right now, you owe me several thousands of dollars, for the history/facts I've already taught you. LOL

Polls, today, hardly, if ever, predict the outcome of ANY election.

I am sick and tired of this...you are boring, naive, uneducated, and arrogant in your stupidity; in other words, a waste of time and bandwidth. Please stop assuming that you know what you're talking about.....YOU DON'T and you're giving me a headache.

[truthkeeper]

Your words are chilling, but I'm afraid you may be right.

[tlj18]

Ahem...I KNOW that you should stop posting, since you have neither the knowledge nor the ability to debate.

I respect your opinion, but for some reason, I'm not breaking through tonight (actually, it is now morning).

Frankly, you are beyond being utterly clueless. How so? Well, for starters, LIEberman is NOT "respected" at all; let alone "well respected", by many.

The scenario I laid out was to take place this summer, before this fall's elections, to give the Republican Party a boost. I know it has very little chance at all of happening, it was just an idea. Besides, Bush is too stubborn to resign.

But I am sure more people would vote for Lieberman than Bush. I know, having a Dem VP sounds very ridiculous. I wasn't thinking that good when I wrote the original post yesterday morning. I was working on a mere two hours of sleep.

Heck, the Orthodox Rabbinate threw him out of that branch of Judaism. The Dems are trying to get rid of him and the GOPers can't stand him.

I know the Dems are trying to get rid of Lieberman, but they will fail. I would rather have Bush than Lieberman, I was just trying to think of someone to fill the position. I couldn't think of any Republicans. Isn't that sad?

Rice? Condi's not only NEVER held a single elected office, she hasn't EVER run for one

And that's one of the two reasons why I don't want her to be president, unless there is no real choice.

and has repeatedly stated, unequivocally, FOR YEARS, that she doesn't EVER want to be president or run for any office whatsoever!

I am perfectly aware she has repeatedly stated that she don't want to be president (and I don't want her to RUN for president (get my drift?)). But I do believe she expressed an interest in running for governor of California a few years back...

And the fact that you don't know where she stands on anything, is partly because she hasn't talked about it much and partly because you don't spend enough time reading FR.

The first part of your sentence is true, and the second is not. I know, for example, that she is opposed to government restrictions on abortion.

Both parties are "uniting against Bush ( and that would be PRESIDENT Bush, kiddo !), in two places...your delusional brain and in parts of the far lefty MSM; ONLY!

Uh... I do know that Bush is the president. There are three branches of government, the president is not a supreme ruler over the land. OK, maybe I used a poor choice of words. I apologize. Perhaps the GOP Congress is not "uniting" with Democrats against Bush, but they certainly aren't working with Bush as they once were.

You just keep posting and posting and posting DNC talking points. If you want to keep that up...go post on DU.

What else can I say??? I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT, I AM NOT A LIBERAL, I HAVE NEVER VOTED DEMOCRAT, I HAVE NEVER VOTED ANYTHING BUT REPUBLICAN, AND I AM A SOLID CONSERVATIVE. I'm sorry, I don't like to yell, but I'm trying to get my point across. I think for myself, no one tells me what to think, and I don't allow anyone to tell me what to think.

Oh yeah...President Bush resigns, just like that and Cheney becomes president?

You know, the order of succession....?

Why on earth are you assuming that a Dem controlled House doesn't also go after V.P. Cheney, whom they hate more than President Bush?

Because in my scenario, this happens this summer, not next year. Or perhaps I misspoke earlier. Sorry.

And, FYI...in order for a President Cheney to have a V.P. Rice, guess who has to okay the nomination? And you "think" ( and I am using that word as loosely as possible !) that she will just automatically be okayed? IN WHAT BLOODY UNIVERSE?

Well, since we are talking about the Senate here, probably not. They are a bunch of cowards, wimps, and presidential wannabes.

And then, THEN, Cheney RESIGNS?

Yes. Cheney is enormously unpopular, so if you aren't going to have Bush, then you certainly won't have Cheney. It's the only constitutional way to get Rice in there. This whole re-arrangement is only for the purpose of energizing the Republicans so that they can maintain the House in November (I told you I wasn't a Democrat!). But this ain't going to happen.

And now you really are going to think I am totally unintelligent.

Besides all of that being on about a kindergarten, at best, level of comprehension, it is not only absurd, beyond any logical reasoning, insufferably stupid, naive, and laughable in the extreme!

I agree!

President Bush was NOT "the lesser of two evils" in 2000! He has been a good president; though one who badly needs to get his positions and accomplishments out far more than he has done.

No argument there. He had a very good first term, but a poor second term. I am very disappointed in his second term.

No, you really aren't a Conservative at all. You are a political naif who assumes that you know far more than you do and who also has no comprehension, whatsoever, what Conservatism is, how politics works, and anything at all about hows our form of government works. I know how badly you want to believe otherwise, but you are a lost child, wandering around, proclaiming who and what you are, with absolutely no basis for either.

No, I think it's that I am suffering from both short and long-term sleep deprivation, that I'm probably not communicating my thoughts very well. I'm probably communicating worse than the president himself.

That was a joke... ha ha ha

Never mind.

[winner3000]

(...resulted in the election of the most venal, irresponsible, demogogic criminal in the history of American politics.)

Sorry, but no matter how bad Clinton was, Carter was worse, and he's still proving it every day.

[tlj18]

Look kid

I really did not appreciate that insult.

I know that you mean well; well, as well as you are able...but for a change, try just shutting up and read FR.

I read it every day.

You claim that Clinton didn't put many of our military under the UN.

I didn't say that. I said "the" military, not some or many od the military.

That is not only 100% incorrect, but would be hysterically funny, if it wasn't so damned pathetic.

So American forces were wearing blue helmets?

And joining the military, with a view to stamping your wee feet and begging for a court-marstial, should a Dem CIC order you to do something that sticks in your craw, is something a two year old would come up with!

I didn't say that! I said if I was ordered to fight for the UN and NOT the United States! Look, I don't care if Dennis Kucinich was president, I'd faithfully obey every order I am given. I'd shoot bullets into an iceberg if I was so ordered.

Please don't join up.

You aren't the first person to say that to me on FR, but few said it nicer than you just did. They didn't want me joining simply because I don't live alone now.

I just don't believe, for a moment, that you neither read nor watch the MSM. How else can you explain the fact that you post DNC talking points over and over and over and over and OVER again? Channeling? Using a crystal ball? You're really a pod person and some Dem has taken over your mind? LOL

Well, believe it. My thoughts are my own. Just because we disagree doesn't mean I'm a hard-core Democrat.

BTW...it is patently obvious that you know almost nothing whatsoever about the toon's military "adventures".

"Toon's" ? What in the world are you talking about???

Do you even have a glimmer of an idea about Kosovo? How about what went down in various African nations? Ever seen "BLACKHAWK DOWN" pet?

I have not yet seen Blackhawn Down, but I do intend to at some point. But I know what happened. But what I don't know is what pets have to do with it.

I c ould go on and on, but, as it stand right now, you owe me several thousands of dollars, for the history/facts I've already taught you. LOL

Go ahead, keep on insulting me. Please notice I haven't insulted you once. I go to work, get insulted all day long, and I come home, and I keep getting insulted. It never ends.

Polls, today, hardly, if ever, predict the outcome of ANY election.

On the contrary, in the 2004 presidential election, polls accurately predicted 49 out of 50 winners of the states, and, more importantly, the winning candidate.

[nopardons]

Calling you what you are...a KID, isn't an insult. You're obviously not only physically young, but mentally immature as well. A FACT can't be an "insult".

If you read FR every day, you're not getting much out of it and I doubt that you've ever read FR's extensive archive.

Look up Clinton's entire two terms; do a complete study of it. You don't know much about those eight years. I am NOT going to discuss this with you further, until you DO know what I'm talking about and can, finally stop confusing you and then having to give you a Cliff's Notes version, to catch you up.

Please don't join the military; PLEASE!

People, here, told you not to join, because you are "living with someone"? I'm NOT even going to go there.............

Trust me, my comments to you, have nothing at all to do with merely "disagreeing" with you. It is your complete and utter abject lack of knowledge and the fact that you post DNC talking points, not to mention error filled sentence after sentence, which is giving me a headache and driving me to correct your errors and m ind numbing garbage.

Get thee to the FR archive...ASAP! There are at least two threads there giving FR's history, FR slang, FR "in" jokes, and much, much more. "Toon" is one way of FREEPERS referring to Bill Clinton; there are many...X42, Clintooon, BJ Clintion, Bubba, Beelzabuba, and on and on and on.

If I were to REALLY "insult" you, you would not only know it, but someone would have to help scrape you up off the floor and walls and I would get suspended for at least a week, or banned. What I am telling you, as gently as possible, is that you need a LOT of help, don't know what you're posting about, are assuming things about yourself ( not to mention many other things/people ) which just are NOT so at all.

I'm sorry that you get INSULTED, all the time at work, and also when you get home. Perhaps you should try to figure out why this is so and do something to correct this problem. Joining the military, BTW, will not, under NO circumstances, alleviate this situation!

FWIW...no matter how many times you tell yourself and others that you are a Conservative, if you talk/post like a hard core, bleeding hearted, damned Dem, then THAT is how people WILL see you.

You are dead wrong about the polls and the '04 election.

Now, go do a whole LOT of research and get some facts under your belt. ;^)

[antceecee]

BUMP!

[Husker24]

OK, so we punish the GOP and get the Dems... Who, exactly suffers the most in this scenario??? It's the Americans, no?

Its short term pain for long term gain. Our Republicans need to know if they refuse to obey the will of the people, then they will not be elected. After 4 years of Nancy Polosie, the electorate will give power back to the Republicans.

[AJFavish]

I have a novel idea. How about the Republicans in Washington not give their base a reason to do such things. Just a thought.

You are correct. President Hillary will be the fault of those Republicans who abandoned Republican principles, not those of us who abide by those principles and refuse to vote for another open-borders Republican.

[NYC Republican]

That's just it, with the media behind them, and the economy already strong, they'll be in power for decades, not just 4 years

Like I said, the goal should be to increase the GOP majority, THEN weed out the RINO vermin.

[NewLand]

but what is true is that Bush is quite unpopular these days

A leader's true measure only matters in the reflection of history...during the process, there will always be ups and downs for any leader, especially a public figure and especially a POTUS.

Leaders who decide to challenge difficult issues head-on, instead of avoiding them, will always suffere from periods of 'unpopularity'. Leaders who avoid difficult issues and only deal with the 'happy-happy' stuff will tend to be 'popular', but are merely creating bigger problems for their successor.

Does this sound familiar? Clinton 1993-2001...GWB 2001- 2009. If you are alive in 50 years and if the liberals haven't revised all details of history by then...the perspective should be quite interesting, to say the least.

[gpapa]

I would have no problem with giving parents, who are illegal aliens and who have children born in the United States, permanent residency status, but not citizenship.

[blake6900]

I mean it was BOTH really dumb AND as contrary to what I consider the core values of our republic (as opposed to the empire that seems to beckon any nation state as powerful as we are), the disgusting demagoguery to bribe the masses, but so stupidly done that even the dumbest person felt their intelligence insulted.

Frist is an idiot. That's why he'll never be president. I'm simply saying the GOP is a lot closer--not necessarily exact but closer--to my "core values" than the Democratic Party and I'll take that over the idea of handing power to a political party that has absolutely nothing in common with me.

Some's better than none. And BTW, my tax cut was not an insult. Was your's? To me the insult was having to fight tooth and nail with Democrats to get it in the first place. Letting good be the enemy of perfect only gets one thing: bad. I know you're upset. I don't blame you. I am too. But I'll be a helluva lot more upset if/when I tune into CSPAN and hear "Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi". Is b!tch-slapping the GOP really worth that?

I don't think so...

[RedStateRocker]

It's not about tax cuts; it's about the fact that the alleged Republicans have NOT forced the Democrats to ACTUALLY filibuster, concomitantly shutting down everything else, to get our way. It is about a 'Republican' leadership that has NOT permanently abolished the AMT.
We have had a majority in house and senate AND the presidency and not done what we should have.
It wasn't until Reagan that Republicans were seen as unquestioningly better than Democrats on national defense, and unless and until I see the national guard on the border president Bush and the house Republicans are just as useless as any democrats could be.
There comes a time to hoist the Jolly Roger and start slitting throats (figuratively, of course). The Republican party has survived loss of complete power before and came back the better for it.
Of course, it the end I shall probably end up grabbing the KY jelly and voting however I must to avoid having Gore, Hillary or Kerry in there, but ANYONE to the left of Tancredo on immigration or Coburn on the budget should not be considered a Republican, merely a stinkin' socialist who has learned how to bathe on occasion and steal in a more subtle manner.