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To: archy
ATF said it would notify federally licensed firearms dealers that concealed weapons permits from Wyoming were invalid unless the state changed its law

Can someone explain to me exactly what this would accomplish? I haven't looked it up, but somehow I feel certain that a concealed carry permit is not required in Wyoming to purchase firearms. And reciprocal recognition of carry permits are a matter of state law, so many states already don't honor Wyoming permits. And the states that do aren't likely to be bound by any such BATFE pronouncement, since the states don't have to require ANY permit to allow residents or non-residents to carry concealed in the state. And federally licensed firearms dealers in states that do require permits certainly aren't in a position to go around arresting visiting Wyoming residents who are carrying concealed with only a Wyoming permit.

29 posted on 05/11/2006 1:59:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Can someone explain to me exactly what this would accomplish? I haven't looked it up, but somehow I feel certain that a concealed carry permit is not required in Wyoming to purchase firearms. And reciprocal recognition of carry permits are a matter of state law, so many states already don't honor Wyoming permits.

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Those that do not are generally eitherb those that refuse to issue permits to their own citizens, or those that require a state-scored course of fire as a part of the application process.

And the states that do aren't likely to be bound by any such BATFE pronouncement, since the states don't have to require ANY permit to allow residents or non-residents to carry concealed in the state. And federally licensed firearms dealers in states that do require permits certainly aren't in a position to go around arresting visiting Wyoming residents who are carrying concealed with only a Wyoming permit.

That appears to be the point that the Wyoming A.G. is trying to make. And, of course, as an attorney, he is required to report violations of law even when they are committed by federal agents and agencies.

United States Code, Title 18, U.S. Criminal Code;
Part I, Chapter 13, § 241:

Conspiracy against rights


If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured— They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


30 posted on 05/11/2006 2:17:17 PM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
ATF said it would notify federally licensed firearms dealers that concealed weapons permits from Wyoming were invalid unless the state changed its law

Can someone explain to me exactly what this would accomplish?

In many states, the ATF has OK'd the sale -- via licensed dealers -- of firearms without going through the "Instant Check" system, IF the purchaser holds a state-issued CCW license. This does not apply to all states, but from the context, I surmise that Wyoming is -- or rather, was -- one of those states that the ATF has given the approval.

By prohibiting dealers from making sales to CCW holders on the basis of the CCW license, they are forcing the purchasers through the "Instant Check" system, where, presumably, they will be flagged, and denied.

This would of course have no effect on person-to-person sales (presuming they are legal in Wyoming), other than to probably make them illegal. (By "no effect", I mean that they would not prevent them, whereas the FFL prohibition will indeed prevent such sales via licensed dealers.)

As I read somewhere a while back, the ATF is indeed authorized by statute to restore gun rights on an individual basis -- however, Our Glorious Leaders in Congress have opted to refuse to fund any such rights-restoration by ATF -- and ATF has complied with that lack of funding by refusing to restore any rights.

So, a person who, thirty or forty years ago caught himself a "paper violation" sufficient to deny him his gun rights -- and has since that time led an exemplary life -- will find himself absolutely unable to have his rights restored, even though he is entitled by law to petition for such restoration. His attempt to petition for restoration will be refused.

From the looks of it, ATF seems intent on ensuring that the mere fact that "their hands are tied" by Congress shall NOT be subjected to an end-run by the states. Sort of reminscent of Brer Rabbit begging not to be thrown into the briar patch.

40 posted on 05/11/2006 7:24:44 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

If you have a cc permit the gun dealer does not have to call the FBI to check out the buyer, so, by disregarding a CC permit the dealer would have to call the FBI for a purchase.


43 posted on 05/11/2006 7:53:30 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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