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1 posted on 05/11/2006 8:04:32 AM PDT by fgoodwin
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(not Cody Brown, but you get the idea)

2 posted on 05/11/2006 8:09:24 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Killing FR threads proudly since 1997)
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Army Cpt. Todd Buchheim, the boys' father and a former Eagle Scout

He's a "former Eagle Scout" ONLY if he's had his Eagle Award revoked for some reason.

4 posted on 05/11/2006 8:10:32 AM PDT by SmithL (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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The irony is that the original troop was founded on parallel circumstances.

Doherty said Troop 71 began as a half-Baptist/half-Pentecostal troop led by a Jewish man.

How are the circumstances parallel? Baptists, Pentecostals, and Jews are members of real religions, not some made-up BS. Oh well, at least he's not a Scientologist.

5 posted on 05/11/2006 8:11:42 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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In the meantime, Aileen Buchheim has filed paperwork to charter a local chapter of Spiral Scouts, a Wiccan-based scouting organization that accepts members of any background, belief or gender between the ages of 3 and 18.

Good. They should quit trying to force the Boy Scouts to abandon their religious tradition and start their own Pagan Scouts.

6 posted on 05/11/2006 8:11:45 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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"No child should have to be told in 2006 that they can't take part in a group because of their religion," Aileen Buchheim said.

In the meantime, Aileen Buchheim has filed paperwork to charter a local chapter of Spiral Scouts, a Wiccan-based scouting organization that accepts members of any background, belief or gender between the ages of 3 and 18."

OK...so lets turn the tables. Imagine if a bunch of Christian kids wanted to join the Spiral Scouts and then started evangelizing about how Wiccans are all going to hell. I suppose the Spiral Scouts won't have any problem with that?

Why did they join the BSA in the first place? Why not just join the SS and leave the BSA alone? I think this was a scam.


8 posted on 05/11/2006 8:13:00 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Still MAD as HELL!!!)
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My goddess created your god, is a bumper sticker I have been seeing lately. I have heard people call christianity and judaism described as a belief in "magic", but seldom to people ridicule those that actually believe in magic.
9 posted on 05/11/2006 8:13:14 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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"No child should have to be told in 2006 that they can't take part in a group because of their religion," Aileen Buchheim said.

Huh? What if it's a religious group?

I don't know much about scouting, but if the generic word "God" is used and if those boys can say that they belive in "God," then I don't see why they shouldn't be able to participate. On the other hand, I have no problem with a private organization doing whatever they want.

The other thing I think is that these boys, like many kids, probably don't really "own" their religion. It's their parents' religion and they will or will not choose to adhere to it when they're older.

10 posted on 05/11/2006 8:13:20 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (Is it OK to steal tag lines from tee-shirts and bumper stickers?)
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if Cody had lied about his faith, the boys could have remained with no problem.

Nice.

11 posted on 05/11/2006 8:13:33 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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I am not sure I would take it out on the kids. This kid is what he is because he has idiots for parents. I would handle it in a different way. But in the end, that decision is up to the scouts.


12 posted on 05/11/2006 8:22:01 AM PDT by Always Right
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Spiral Scouts - Starting the downward spiral of our society one child at a time.


14 posted on 05/11/2006 8:25:38 AM PDT by Rumwarthor (Seek to find His will; live to do it)
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I'm sorry, but the Scout troop was wrong in this.
I know of no Scout troop charter that says they have to believe in a Christian G*d.

What about Hindus? I've known Hindu scouts and there was no problem with that.

Just because I'm a Christian, Eagle Scout, former assistant scout master, and believer doesn't mean I won't accept that someone else believes in a different G*d.
As an Eagle Scout it doesn't matter to me if they believe in Allah, Christ, or Woden, as long as they believe in a G*d.

15 posted on 05/11/2006 8:26:12 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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"The Buchheims said Doherty told them that if Cody had lied about his faith, the boys could have remained with no problem. "


So the 'Christian' says that lying would've solved the problem.

These boys did the right thing by leaving this troop.


16 posted on 05/11/2006 8:32:50 AM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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You know this makes me ill. I am an Eagle scout. Scouting is about the boys, its about honor and courage, its about morals and ethics. It is not about being, Jewish, Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, or any other religion. Do you BELIEVE in God. A creator, a supreme being who will judge your actions in the end. The fact that these kids a Wiccan doesn't mean a thing and this fiasco should never have happened in the first place.
The Scout master who asked what religion the boys are should have been fired in my opinion. Scouting is for developing the ethics and moral standard that turn boys into honorable young MEN. It is not for stupid parental bickering and political infighting. To much of that has flushed too many good troops down the tubes to the detriment of the boys involved.
17 posted on 05/11/2006 8:34:10 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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Kick the boys out of the troop and tell them they should should have lied about their religion. Yep, that's the ticket. What a lovely impression of Christianity THAT gives them!

Obviously these church sponsored troops should have the right to set their own membership requirements, but they ought to make them clear in advance. Since it was "no secret" that these boys were Wiccan, and they'd been allowed to participate in the troop and make friends in it, it's pretty un-Christian to suddenly up and kick them out for giving a straightforward answer to a question the troop leader already knew the answer too. How hard would it be to ask kids or their parents these questions at the time they apply to join the troop?


18 posted on 05/11/2006 8:35:57 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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"Pastor Doug Lewellyn"

Wasn't he the bailiff on The People's Court?


22 posted on 05/11/2006 8:39:29 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rage is the fuel that powers the islamic machine)
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The two boys should still be allowed in the local Boy Scouts.

When I was in Air Force BMT, my Wingman was a Wiccan. He's not a bad person because of it. I'm Catholic and am proud of it. I thought that some of the Wiccan beliefs were silly or unusual and we talked about them, but he wasn't trying to convert me.

Regardless of his religion being radically different from mine, he was my Wingman, and we were there for each other. We helped each other when times were hard (and boy were they). Wiccan isn't for me, but I'm not going to treat one any differently than than a Jew or Protestan.


24 posted on 05/11/2006 8:39:59 AM PDT by samson1097
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"No child should have to be told in 2006 that they can't take part in a group because of their religion," Aileen Buchheim said.

Especially if the group they joined holds religious beliefs contrary to theirs... What do they teach in school these days?

Now imagine a Christian being kicked out of an Islamic scout troop.

27 posted on 05/11/2006 8:50:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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"No child should have to be told in 2006 that they can't take part in a group because of their religion," Aileen Buchheim said.

Tell the Catholics that they have to accept Satanists. Tell the Baptists that they have to accept homosexual Episcopalians. Tell the LPGA that they have to accept Tiger Woods!

Sorry, but "inclusion" doesn't mean abandonment of common sense.

30 posted on 05/11/2006 9:07:32 AM PDT by IronJack
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I heard an interview this morning with the father. He is Christian, his wife is Wiccan (don't call it a 'made up religion' folks, it's been around longer than 'Christianity', just now in a lighter form).

Eitherway, the Boy Scouts are not a "Christian" organization and shouldn't involve religion in their meetings, especially if it means kicking them out! Morals, yes. Religion, no.


33 posted on 05/11/2006 9:16:17 AM PDT by sandbar
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"No child should have to be told in 2006 that they can't take part in a group because of their religion"

Even if the group is a Catholic seminary, and the religion is sacrificing human captives to the sun god?

People are such flaming morons on this subject. The boy scouts are a private organization that can require whatever they want. And religious belief is not free because it is a matter of indifference and can't possibly matter to anyone, but because it does matter and the state can't be trusted to mess with it. The rest of us are, most emphatically, supposed to care about it.

44 posted on 05/11/2006 11:39:12 AM PDT by JasonC
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