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Iraq: six ways to flub a war
Kurdish Media - United Kurdish Voice ^ | 5/8/2006 | Ahmad Faruqui

Posted on 05/10/2006 7:23:22 PM PDT by a_Turk

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To: Javelina

"Can you explain that one? I'm trying to figure out your thinking."

To offer another perspective, the Turks have been in Anatolia over a 1000 years - a millennia. So I'd say they have as much a claim to that land as anybody else.

Also, Kurdish seperatist terrorist groups like PKK have murdered large numbers of Turkish civilians along with foreigner tourists in Turkey. Hence, the U.S. government classifies PKK as a terrorist organization.


21 posted on 05/10/2006 9:10:20 PM PDT by L.M.H.
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To: a_Turk
Re: The fifth blunder was the US administrator’s decision to disband the Iraqi military.

This is false.

How do you get an Army to stop fighting?

Stop their paychecks, which is exactly what we did with the defeated Iraqi army.

22 posted on 05/10/2006 9:12:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: ChadGore

The defeatists use the drip-drip technique that worked in Vietnam. With lots of work, it won't be repeated. But that being said, the Rasmussen polls show slipage in support that is directly pinned on defeatists getting high profile coverage. I see success with my eyes and hear defeat everywhere. Ugly.


23 posted on 05/10/2006 9:33:07 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence applies in all cases)
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To: pacpam; MikefromOhio; humblegunner
This was quite a come down from three years earlier, when Bush had declared to thunderous applause from hundreds of US sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln that the US had successfully implemented regime change in Iraq. Above him stood a banner: “Mission Accomplished”.

And the lie is still being spread.

24 posted on 05/10/2006 10:06:22 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Conservatives teach you how to fish. Liberals give you the fish by stealing it from the fisherman.)
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To: Red6
Legitimize the militias and you have Iraq decay into another Somalia with warlords like Al Sadr in charge. Horrible idea. Not even worth discussion or further exploration. It's hypothetical nonsense that has a political agenda behind it.

Amen. We are already seeing the fallacy of that thinking from Mosul in the North to Basra (in the Brit sector) in the South, where Sadr's gangs are openly challenging the Coalition, and the Iraqi Army (and paving the way for the entry of the Iranians). Then again, nobody said that Zinni knew all that much anyway.

25 posted on 05/10/2006 10:27:59 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: a_Turk
The second blunder was going to war with an insufficient force. In Zinni’s opinion, the US needed more than two to three times the number of troops than the 165,000 with which it invaded Iraq.

This is the earliest, and the most oft-repeated criticism of the OIF campaign plan. In fact, Black Beret Shinseki got this party started before the war even took place, with his celebrated (in Leftist circles) "300,000 troops" statement before Congress. Of course, the reason Shinseki used the figure 300,000 (more recently upgraded to 500,000 by even more thoughtful people with 20/20 hindsight)is because he believed that asking for 300,000 US troops would effectively kill the operation (just as Colin Powell cited inflated projections of US casualties, based on carefully rigged war games, to try to kill Operation Desert Storm).

What no one, not Zinni with his 330,000 - 495,000 figure, nor Shinseki with his more modest 300,000 soldiers, has ever explained is where these additional US troops were supposed to come from (i.e. without denuding other theaters of committed forces and/or reserves); and they have not said how long we could have maintained that level of commitment of manpower without additional forces to rotate through the Iraqi Theater. Nor, their protestations notwithstanding, could the critics have guaranteed that an Iraqi insurgency, and a foreign terrorist campaign, would not have emerged even with a million US troops in Iraq. In fact the more "boots on the ground" in Iraq, the larger the contingent of highly vulnerable logistics and maintenance soldiers that would have been required to keep the "teeth" of the operation functioning.

26 posted on 05/10/2006 10:59:50 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: a_Turk

Is Zinni really that stupid to propose such a thing ..??


27 posted on 05/10/2006 11:30:44 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Chgogal

I didn't post this article because I agree with it.


28 posted on 05/11/2006 3:04:17 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: a_Turk

I do not agree with this author :)) Nor do I agree with the other one with his anti-globalization sentiments.

A lot of you seem to think that all Kurds are cool. That just is not so. Just like not all Turks are cool. Most people in the world are ok, though.. But those few who are liars (even among you) need to be corrected, and those who are fools need to be shown plainly that the line that seperates good and bad is not the same line that seperates the religions or nations.


29 posted on 05/11/2006 3:12:06 AM PDT by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: eleni121
The Turks have done the same wherever they have slithered including to the millions of the original inhabitants of Anatolia - Christians who were destroyed under Muslim Turk rule.

So the territory now known as Turkey was an empty wasteland before Christianity?

Why then did the ancient Jason and his Argonauts find city after city, kingdom after kingdom on their passage through the Bosporus to the Black Sea? (Myths, by the way, are almost always based on some historical truth that has been embellished by the oral traditions of the day.)

What about the Anatolian Hittite Empire? Nonexistent?

I ask as a Greek with deep roots in Izmir (Smyrna). Izmir itself is believed to have been founded around 3000 B.C.

30 posted on 05/11/2006 4:39:15 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky
Deep roots in Smyrna? OK...Then of all people you should at least be somewhat aware of the genocides committed by Muslims against the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians of Anatolia.
31 posted on 05/11/2006 9:19:48 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
I'm well aware of the history of the area. What I'm apparently unaware of is your statement that the original inhabitants of the area were Christian. They were not and to make the claim is ignorant.
32 posted on 05/11/2006 9:54:04 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

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33 posted on 05/11/2006 9:55:10 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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