Is the U.S. Giving Mexico Intelligence about Americans?

NRO ^ | 05/10/2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

[justshutupandtakeit]

I understand that the Hysterics cannot conceive of this being about the limit possible. But they operate entirely on emotion.

[brytlea]

There is no slander involved. You may be an exception but I have seen the same names opposing Bush on most issues that I have seen hyperventilating over this one.

I think you better look a little harder. I certainly supported the President, in fact my support goes back to when he was governor of my state. However, this issue is important, and I don't have to agree with everything he does to be a republican, nor a conservatie. And what good does it do to reward the republicans only because they are better than the alternative? What have we become?? susie

[Windsong]

One for the WorldNutDaily crowd?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Exaggeration is part of the MO of the Hysterics and they know they are exaggerating and just pulling numbers out of their @$$ for effect knowing that the True Believers do not care for the facts only the rhetorical impact on others who also will not check them.

The actual credible estimates are from 8 to 12 million. So I use 12 to be on the safe side.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You would probably try and spread such pap knowing it to be false.

[Windsong]

Careful.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Government spokesmen never get up and say "That is a flat out LIE." This should be said about the story.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Where did you come up with 20 million? Buchanan's headquarters?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Treason is defined in the Constitution. Maybe you should look it up before looking silly by misusing the term.

[Lion Den Dan]

information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens,

Looks like the 4th is hammered and perhaps the 5th. Do we have a rogue agency in the U.S. Border Patrol?

[M. Thatcher]

Second, DHS seems to be saying that it was compelled to disclose whatever information it may have given to Mexico by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which President Nixon ratified in 1969.

Actually that treaty was ratified by the duly elected US Senate in 1969 and not President Nixon.

Strike out there, already misleading.

Author should have said "ratified under President Nixon," but it is not "misleading" at all:

U.S. diplomats and those from 165 other nations signed the convention in April 1963, and President Richard Nixon sent it to the Senate, where it was finally and unanimously approved in 1969.

Does not affect the argument or the information in the NRO article one whit.

If you have a problem with the way that treaty is being follwed through, it is up to SCOTUS, not misleading hyperbole from a journalist.

Suggest you re-read the article. You have apparently not digested the analysis by National Review.

I am at this juncture agnostic on the story, but the NRO piece presents sober assessment and its major points deserve response, which you have not done.

[antisocial]

"If the "conservatives" have gone mad over tangential matters then conservatives do not deserve to remain in power. Stupidity is very dangerous."


Maybe you haven't noticed but Republicans are in power, not conservatives. That is the problem so just shut up and take it.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Far from it. You are allowing one of the lesser problems this nation faces to obscure your understanding of reality.

II is not the ONLY or the BIGGEST problem facing the US. It does not even get close to te dangers from the Party of Treason and it ally the TReason Media.

It is very disturbing to see intelligent people lose sight of the major issues and be distracted into opposing the GOP and the President wherein lie the ONLY hope of protecting this nation.

[Dead Corpse]

Nope. Math. Try it some time. Government estimates that 10-12 million illegals are currently living in the US. Estimates from the border patrol put their "catch" rate at 20% while independant research puts that rate closer to 10%. Right now, they are "catching" upwards of 6000 per day. Works out to 20 million that will flood our border this year at this rate with this President endorsing an Amnesty.

I think that number is a bit high, so I low balled it at 9 million.

[Iscool]

In San Diego, the document referred to a meeting with Border Patrol Chief Darryl Griffen stating that "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented migrant."

I don't believe this is part of that treaty, is it???

[justshutupandtakeit]

Throw him out after all he won't put up a half mile high fence around the country.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I am just amazed at the continued refusal of "conservatives" to see they are helping destroy everything they claim to believe in over an issue which has been around for at least five decades.

It is NOT the end all and be all or worthy of weakening the GOP. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

I have used very little vulgarity and none to you.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Good God!!!!

[stephenjohnbanker]

Absolutely Dead on!!

BTTT

[justshutupandtakeit]

Then I can assume you are not one of the 20% ready to throw it all down the drain and allow the RATS to regain control.

The last Rasmussen poll shows Texans actually oppose wholesale deportations of those already here. In fact, only three or four states support that policy. This means they de facto support some form of amnesty. If so why are so many mad at the President?

All I hope for is some perspective on this issue and the Zealots do not show that they have ANY. In a world where the media was fair criticism is fine but in this one every criticism of a conservative is whipped up into a wildfire by the Treason Media.