DIGGING TO BYZANTIUM: Turkish Tunnel Project Unearths an Ancient Harbor

Der Spiegel ^ | 5/10/2006 | N/A

[a_Turk]

[Uddercha0s]

Thanks for the post. Being Byzantine Catholic I find it very interesting.

[Red Badger]

Hmmm....a harbor underwater...... global warming has been around a loooooong time............

[Red Badger]

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[Red Badger]

Byzantine Catholic?........You must be VERY VERY old...........

[Boiler Plate]

They found entire ships? What happened here? Was the harbor abandoned or was there some sort of catastrophe?

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Treasure (Archaeology) Dig Threatens Bosphorus Rail Link
BBC | 5-2-2006 | Sarah Rainsford
Posted on 05/02/2006 2:44:06 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1625431/posts

[Uddercha0s]

LOL.. There are still a few of us around. One of these days I'd love to visit turk's home country and see the Hagia Sophia.

[Young Werther]

My guess is that it was probably garbage that entombed the ship. When a pre-revoutionary war sailing ship was found along the Manhattan shoreline there was no documented catastrophe. Rather the ship was not salvageable and was buried. Today, it has been unearthed and fully restored as a tourist attraction.

No doubt once the archeologists have completed their work the relics will be placed in a museum or sent traveling around the world so that we can see a slice on Constantinople circa Constantine!

[j.havenfarm]

There was a show on History Channel on undergound cities. I got the impression it was to be a series, but only Istanbul has been aired so far. Absolutely fascinating. Remains of the Hippodrome, palaces, and vast cisterns completely intact. This particular harbor was a lagoon or inlet that silted in over time, and there had been many sunken vessels in the relatively shallow water. I just saw a rerun of it last week, so look for it if you are interested.

[Leg Olam]

As is the case with many ancient harbors it probably silted up and was eventually filled. The geology of that area is fractured with faults and there is a history of quakes so there could have been a series of uplifts.

[Lion in Winter]

udderchaos, IF you were a GREEK Orthodox Christian it would be even MORE interesting since it was the Greek city of Constantinople before it was invaded and captured by the turk hordes in the 15th century.

The Great Schism happened in the 11th century and so, this city was the center of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH ( and still is, by the way), NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Since the head of your church is the POPE in Roman not the Patriarch of Constaninople, you are not Eastern Orthodox and not even in Communion with them!

[Uddercha0s]

I could type a whole bunch but it has already been done for me. There is a good explanation here:

http://byzcath.org/Faith-and-Worship/Who-Are-Byzantine-Catholics.htm

[Lion in Winter]

"The Roman emperor Constantine moved his capital from Rome to Byzantium in 330 AD and renamed the city Constantinople."

See, Hagia Sophia was A GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH!! In fact during a crusade by the Pope of Rome's army in the 13th century, the Church was sacked and many Eastern Orthodox Christians and their Priests were killed.

The Altar made with precious stones and many valuable golden Icons were stolen by the Roman Pope's army. But, then... A storm at sea caused the ship carring the valuable items back to Rome to sink and the Altar and all the Icons were lost!!

WHEN THE TURKS TOOK THE CITY CENTURIES LATER, they MESSED THE CHURCH UP AND TURNED INTO A MUSLIM PLACE AND DESTROYED MANY BEAUTIFUL FRESCOES AND KILLED MANY MORE CHRISTIANS!!

The Eastern Orthodox Church has tried to re-open their senminary on a an island near the city but the Turks will not allow it! RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN TURKEY IS NOT WHAT IT COULD BE. But, for a muslim country, at least they haven't killed another Orthodox Patriarch in quite a few years....

[Lion in Winter]

Look you all have services which sort of "LOOK-LIKE" the Eastern Orthodox Church, but your leader is, ULTIMATELY, the Pope in Rome, not the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople .

And, you all are NOT given the Eucharist in an Eastern Orthodox Church, anymore than a Baptist or a Methodist is allowed to do so.

At one time in the past, your group may have been Eastern Orthodox Christians but somehow, you all wound up in the Roman controlled sphere of the Pope in Rome. If that is what your folks wanted, well, that is AOK for you... but you all are really VERY different theologically from the Eastern Church.

[Uddercha0s]

When Constantine moved the capital from Rome to Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul there was no such thing as orthodox. This is where the "eastern rites" originated. The schism betweem the eastern and western churches occurred around 1000. We are left then with those who are in union with Rome (Byz Caths, Melkites, Ruthenians, etc.) and the Orthodox under the Patriarch.

[Uddercha0s]

LOL.. it's not meant to be a religious war dude.. the fact is that all eastern rites trace theirselves back to Constantinople and that is history we should all be interested in.

[aristotleman]

Take a deep breath and relax. Sounding frantic doesn't build solid arguments. No one is insulting the greek heritage, if that is what you are reacting to. Costantinople was a Byzantine capital, part of an empire that included many races, including the greeks. Now it is a turkish city. Deal with it, it's been 600 years.

[Lion in Winter]

Yeah right! The muslims who are now running ISLAMIC Turkey REFUSE to allow the EOC to re-open a seminary!!

600 years ??? The OPPRESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS NOW!!!

What are you? An apologist for anti-CHRISTIAN muslims TURKS???