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To: orionblamblam; Lunatic Fringe

You are quite amusing.

All this comes from the State archives historical societies:

"First of all, I...rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins." Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration.

"To my Creator I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity." John Dickinson, signer of the Constitution.

"I resign my soul into the hands of the Almighty who gave it in humble hopes of his mercy through our Savior Jesus Christ." Gabriel Duvall, US Supreme Court Justice; selected as delegate to the Constitutional Convention

"This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed. Patrick Henry

"I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by his beloved Son... Blessed be His holy name. " John Jay, original Chief Justice, US Supreme Court

"I am constrained to express my adoration of the Author of my existence...for His forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state." Robert Treat Paine, signer of the Declaration

"I think it proper here not only to subscribe to doctrines of the Christian religion...but also, in the bowels of a father affection, to exhort and charge them, my children that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness." Richard Stockton, signer of the Declaration.

I could go on and on and on and on....
Don't talk to us about our founders' intentions for this nation, when you clearly are quite ignorant on the subject.











243 posted on 05/10/2006 11:17:40 AM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: jackv

The argument (at least the smart argument) isn't that all the founders were not Christians - that is clearly not correct but that there were many founders who did not want a Christian government for various reasons including not being Christians and/or fearing the results of a theocracy.


What we can say is that they were accepting of public expressions of faith and thus the banning of Christmas trees or voluntary prayer is not justified.


248 posted on 05/10/2006 11:27:11 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: jackv

> Don't talk to us about our founders' intentions for this nation...

We're not. We're talking about what they *actually* *achieved:* a wholly agnostic system of government; one that left religion out of the founding principles, did away with Divine Rights Of Anybody, and was, for near to two centuiries, the envy of the world.

Your quotes only bolster the point of the separation. There were amny of the Founders who would, in fact, blather forth at length about their religion... and yet, not a word of it made it into the Constitution.


249 posted on 05/10/2006 11:28:31 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: jackv
"First of all, I...rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins." Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration.

And this has to do with the Constitution, how...? I know that the Founders were able to separate their personal beliefs from their politicis... too bad you kooky modern Christians can't do the same.

255 posted on 05/10/2006 11:35:27 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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