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Universe: 'Child of Previous One'(We Aren't The First)
BBC ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sarah Cruddas

Posted on 05/09/2006 11:09:53 PM PDT by Dallas59

A joint UK-US team has put forward an alternative theory of cosmic evolution.

It proposes that the Universe undergoes cycles of "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", meaning our Universe is merely a "child of the previous one".

It challenges the conventional view of the cosmos, which observations show to be 12-14 billion years old.

The new ideas, reported in the journal Science, may explain why the expansion of the Universe is accelerating, the researchers say.

"At present the conventional view is that all of space, time, matter and energy began at a single point, which then expanded and cooled, leaving the Universe as it is today," said Professor Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University, New Jersey.

"However, this new theory suggests that there's a continuous cycle of universes, with each a repeat of the last, but not an exact replica.

"It can be thought of as a child of the previous universe."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dejavualloveragain; space; time; wheredidwecomefrom; whosthedaddy
Didn't know if I had to excerpt this or not. We're not the first?
1 posted on 05/09/2006 11:09:55 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

2 posted on 05/09/2006 11:25:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Dallas59
Wait... I thought they had recently shown there wouldn't be a Big Crunch. Not enough matter in the universe to halt the expansion... Indeed, the expansion is accelerating. What's going on? I'm confused!

Secondly, this is an old, old theory once called the "Oscillating Theory of the Universe." Of course, some of the details are different now; there was no Dark Matter Universe back then. They used to argue that if time is infinite and matter finite in an oscillating universe, then every possible combination and permutation of protons and neutrons and electrons will occur given enough time (oscillations). In other words, we've all been here before -- infinitely many times. And we'll all be here again -- infinitely many times.

3 posted on 05/09/2006 11:25:49 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Dallas59
It proposes that the Universe undergoes cycles of "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", meaning our Universe is merely a "child of the previous one".

Better luck next time, eh?

4 posted on 05/09/2006 11:32:48 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: LibWhacker

Yes, it's a very old theory...


5 posted on 05/09/2006 11:52:40 PM PDT by D-fendr
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You mean I gotta live upstairs from "them" again? Forever????


6 posted on 05/09/2006 11:52:54 PM PDT by Dallas59
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Not really. There's an equal chance that next time you'll be living downstairs from them. Feel better?

L

7 posted on 05/09/2006 11:54:34 PM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
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To: Dallas59

The oscillations of the theory of the cosmos gives me a headache! I used to think there were just too many lawyers, I'm starting to look at physicists the same way.


8 posted on 05/10/2006 12:00:36 AM PDT by NilesJo
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Wait... I thought they had recently shown there wouldn't be a Big Crunch. Not enough matter in the universe to halt the expansion... Indeed, the expansion is accelerating. What's going on? I'm confused!

That was the point of "dark matter"; provide enough mass in the universe to hit the brakes for a "big crunch". A universe that expands forever without stopping not only can't produce a "next" universe, it can't be explained by the collapse of a previous universe.

If you want to believe in a self-explanitory universe with no end and no beginning (and more to the point, no Creator), then you need an oscillating universe. You could theorize that each successive cycle somehow loses mass, and that at some point a universe would form that reaches equilibrium and never collapses again. However, if the chain of universes were infinitely old, then this case would have already happened and we wouldn't be posting here! Equilibrium would have been reached eons ago and this last universe would have suffered heat death long, long ago.

A universe with a definite beginning and end could cause a crisis of faith for some in the Academy.

9 posted on 05/10/2006 12:10:31 AM PDT by Redcloak (Don't try this at home. I'm a trained, professional stunt poster.)
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To: Dallas59

Gregory Benford wrote a terrific description of this theory in the intro to a collection about Far Future stories. It sounds perfectly plausible to me, but ultimately I'm too busy to think about it all. ;)


10 posted on 05/10/2006 12:10:40 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("I only respond to posts with reasoned opinions and facts, ignore irrational ones")
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To: D-fendr

So as the universe crunches and then bounces back, it expands to a larger size each time. Sounds like someone watched the Nutty Professor too many times as a kid. < /flubber>


11 posted on 05/10/2006 4:12:05 AM PDT by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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Nietzsche postulated something like this this 150 years ago, saying that the universe and time just keep repeating
themselves endlessly.


12 posted on 05/10/2006 4:49:56 AM PDT by huckfillary
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To: martin_fierro

I remember those "Bizarro" comics from the 50s and 60s. Now I live in them!


13 posted on 05/10/2006 5:20:28 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: huckfillary
Sorry for the late reply. The oscillating universe theory dont hold up unless the bounce was bigger the previous time. Oh crud, now that we are finding that the universe is going to expand forever, the oscillating model is junk.
14 posted on 05/27/2007 6:26:17 AM PDT by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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