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U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (telling the Mexican government)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5/9/2006 | Sara A Carter

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by IrishMike

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are. According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; falsestory; getaclue; gwot; illegalimmigration; illegals; incorrectstory; loudobbs; mexicans; mexico; minutemanproject; minutemen; moonbatbarking; nationalsecurity; notaccurate; nutcases; saraacarter; saracarter; wot
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To: JeffAtlanta

I think the Mods tried to smother it initially but then realized that this animal has too many voices to be silenced. The initial thread is back up again too.


441 posted on 05/09/2006 9:50:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: IrishMike

The best way for Rove to save the next election for the Republicans is to get Bush to step down, have Cheney clamp down on the border (fence, etc.), and start rounding up illegal aliens.

Otherwise, the GOP will go the way of the Democratic Party in the South.

I wonder if the Bush family is considering switching sides to the Democratic party to maintain their attempted dynasty?


442 posted on 05/09/2006 9:51:03 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: IrishMike
U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

443 posted on 05/09/2006 9:51:22 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: p23185
the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants

No matter how many times I read that part, I'm just as astounded and angry as the first time I did. Unfreakin' believable.

444 posted on 05/09/2006 9:51:25 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown
Is it the beginning of our Balkanization?

Unfortunately I believe that the Balkanization of America began a few weeks ago when the shutting down of some of major cities by illegal foreign nationals was actually cheered on and encouraged by our president and members of congress.

It's disappointing that GOP leadership is either clueless or corrupt in this matter and the party cheerleaders are serving their role as enablers.

445 posted on 05/09/2006 9:51:43 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: IrishMike
Does anyone think Bush will veto legislation that would control our borders? I know my congressman has changed his tune on the borders but he's up for re-election. I'm still not sure I will vote for him due to his stance in the past on immigration, and he is republican.
446 posted on 05/09/2006 9:52:05 AM PDT by one more state (I wish I could cash in on these illegals like the rest of them)
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To: jpsb

"This has been pointed out to him repeatedly. And he keeps on ignoring the truth."
______________________________

I wonder how much beatadeadhorse is being paid by the GOP?


447 posted on 05/09/2006 9:52:19 AM PDT by fizziwig (Bushbotulism is a terrible thing to have....please get help..)
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To: B4Ranch
The initial thread is back up again too.

Good. Do you have a link to it?

448 posted on 05/09/2006 9:53:08 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: kstewskis
Excellent letter!

let me know when you need renforcements.

Unbelivable.

Why would the U.S. sabotage the efforts of its citizens? Abraham Lincoln was right when he said, "I don't fear the United States being defeated from the outside; I fear it being defeated from within!"

449 posted on 05/09/2006 9:53:47 AM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: p23185
I am changing my voting registration to Independent this afternoon.

Don't do it, then you can't vote in the primaries, unless I believe you change it back right there when you vote. I did this once and ended up having the choice of a bunch of independent primary candidates.

Push back, we all should. We will take this Republican party to where it needs to go, but if we leave we are divided and conquered. Stay and fight. We all should. Reclaim what is ours and make it ours.

450 posted on 05/09/2006 9:53:59 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: B4Ranch
I think the Mods tried to smother it initially but then realized that this animal has too many voices to be silenced. The initial thread is back up again too.

Agreed. Neither thread that was in Breaking News is back up though.

451 posted on 05/09/2006 9:54:21 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: soccer_maniac
Anyone have a link to the original documents?

I haven't found anything yet. The Daily Bulletin archives their illegal immigration/border control articles here:

Beyond Borders Special Section: Complete current immigration news, photos, video, audio and documents
www.dailybulletin.com/beyondborders
I haven't found an e-mail address yet, but Sara A. Carter can be reached by phone at (909) 483-8552.
452 posted on 05/09/2006 9:55:03 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Tammy8

Whoops! I apologize..my bad.


453 posted on 05/09/2006 9:55:13 AM PDT by sofaman ("The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence." Ayn Rand)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Unfortunately I believe that the Balkanization of America began a few weeks ago when the shutting down of some of major cities by illegal foreign nationals was actually cheered on and encouraged by our president and members of congress.

You're right. *sigh*

I'm gonna have to step away from the computer for a few minutes. I feel like I've been punched in the stomach.

454 posted on 05/09/2006 9:55:35 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: cva66snipe
The Department of Homeland Security is nothing but a high position jobs for friends program IMO. It wasn't needed and it has made a mess of things.

I thought it was a bad idea at the time and now it's become pretty clear that my concerns were warranted. When has another layer of bureaucracy ever stopped a terrorist?

455 posted on 05/09/2006 9:56:46 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: cva66snipe
Here it is basically. Bush from the beginning has surrounded himself with long time Friend of Family Yes Men. They were basically the same ones that Poppy had and failed. Don't tell him what he needs to know or you will be fired. Tell him only what he wants to hear and he still believes by what he is being told from his chosen that "All is well". I think that is most of his problem. Not a meanness but rather an arrogance that controls his thinking.

Well, Bush does say he never reads the paper or TV news, that he gets it from his briefings so he could be somewhat unaware of how badly he is failing on some key issues.

Somewhat unaware but not totally unaware. If he's indeed totally unaware he should have never been elected.

456 posted on 05/09/2006 9:57:08 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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To: blaquebyrd
"Flawed argument"...

Yes, I know. I should have been more clear. I believe that "our government" is arguing that position. I believe that those who are in power are letting in the illegals to replace the 50 million aborted americans.

457 posted on 05/09/2006 9:57:27 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: jpsb
Tenacious with a capital "T". I'm sorry that you are so afraid and already beaten, but like I said, I do not buy into fear. Your earlier post stating that anyone who did not vote 3rd party is, and I quote, "An Anti-American traitor" is what I was referring to. I responded to that idiotic statement. Now, you keep aggravating me about Azland?? Man, get a grip, try and make a reasonable connection, run and hide...and while you are cowering in the dark, take along a Webster's and a flashlight and get a clue as how to spell ala English. Now, shoo.
458 posted on 05/09/2006 9:58:15 AM PDT by Tracy V. (Hell is the impossibility of reason)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Ain't that grand?!!


459 posted on 05/09/2006 9:59:07 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: Northern Yankee
Abraham Lincoln was right when he said, "I don't fear the United States being defeated from the outside; I fear it being defeated from within!"

Spot on. Lincoln was a seer in his time. He knew it, as did past presidents before him too.

Write your congress critters and senators. Spread the word that "we're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!"

460 posted on 05/09/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by kstewskis (Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting.)
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