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New Scientist : Many human genes evolved recently ( As recent as 15,000 years ago )
New Scientist ^ | 03/07/2006 | Melissa Lee Phillips

Posted on 05/08/2006 2:59:09 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

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1 posted on 05/08/2006 2:59:11 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot; blam; martin_fierro; CobaltBlue; PatrickHenry; aculeus; thefactor

Interesting. But would the ice age also affect African populations? And if so, as much as in Europe?


2 posted on 05/08/2006 3:01:55 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: SirLinksalot

This is not new. The skin pigmentation changes during the European ice age has been well known since the 1960s.


3 posted on 05/08/2006 3:01:57 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SirLinksalot
over the last 15,000 years or so – when modern humans dealt with the end of the last ice age

They must have been burning fossil fuels back then. And just think, the population must have been at least twice as many as there are now since they had a severe case of global warming then.

4 posted on 05/08/2006 3:03:57 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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The real question - "Where are the fossilized SUV's?"


5 posted on 05/08/2006 3:06:16 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SirLinksalot

I'm not buying it.

Since there is no such thing as concurrent "group" evolution, the necessary predicate for this theory is that all human life descended from a common ancestor 15,000 years ago. Everyone else had to have lost the evolutionary race and died out. With humans allegedly scattered widely over the face of the earth long before that, this theory is specious.


6 posted on 05/08/2006 3:07:14 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Pharmboy

Ice ages don't just impact the areas under or near the ice sheets. Major climate pattern changes happen everywhere. For instance the Sahara region and the Levant were relatively lush well watered areas. Change from a wet to a dry climate and you change the food sources. That change can lead to various selections.


7 posted on 05/08/2006 3:08:17 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: montag813

Interestingly, while the Scandinavians are fair complexioned, the Eskimos are dark skinned.


8 posted on 05/08/2006 3:08:39 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Elpasser
the Eskimos are dark skinned

And are relatively recent arrivals to the Arctic (probably about 6,000 years ago, I believe).

9 posted on 05/08/2006 3:12:33 PM PDT by ToryHeartland ("The universe shares in God’s own creativity." - Rev. G.V.Coyne)
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To: seowulf

Thanks...makes sense. And, I guess, it's a question of degree of change.


10 posted on 05/08/2006 3:13:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Elpasser

Probably because the Eskimos arrived from Asia fairly recently.


12 posted on 05/08/2006 3:14:59 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Yay! It's Riding Season!)
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To: Elpasser
Since there is no such thing as concurrent "group" evolution

What? ToE shows how natural selection acts on individuals, but its evolutionary effect is on the population's gene pool, not the individual.

13 posted on 05/08/2006 3:16:36 PM PDT by ToryHeartland ("The universe shares in God’s own creativity." - Rev. G.V.Coyne)
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To: SirLinksalot
15,000 years

Hmmm... this is, from an evolutionary standpoint, a blink of an eye
one estimate I saw was of about 200 new genes involved with brain function

An awful lot of random mutations, occurring in an extremely short time
Creating new genetic material controlling high order processes

The example sited were of adaptations to current species
Not new speciation, just minor adjustments within a current species

Hmmm... Tough to pull this off with a random mutation process
And just survival of the fittest as a selection procedure
Kinda makes you wonder
14 posted on 05/08/2006 3:19:45 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: ToryHeartland

But, consider, 6,000 years and no evolutionary change toward fair complexion? THeir complexion is as dark as residents of South China.

How, then, can we confidently deduce that light-complexioned scandinavians "evolved" in 10,000 or 15,000 years? Where's the evolutionary advantage in that if Eskimos aren't visibly evolving in the same basic climate?


15 posted on 05/08/2006 3:19:59 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: SirLinksalot

This is quite interesting and parallels some ideas I have had for awhile, which have only recently been confirmed.

I have always shied away from margarine and all the pseudo good for ya crap that goes on, and I appreciate and use moderate amounts of butter and animal fats, even though they are the saturated kind.

My belief always was that hey, we've been eating this stuff for the last hundred thousand years or so, etc.

Turns out your body DOES know how to digest stuff like that. But trans fats, and hydrogenated vegetable oils, that they've been telling us for years and years and years is "Good for ya" are only about four hydrogen atoms away from being legally and chemically classified as PLASTICS.


We are making great strides in genetics and molecular biology. Within 15 years we WILL KNOW HOW TO HELP A PERSON LIVE TO 200 YEARS OLD.

But geezer that I am, I probably won't make it myself!


16 posted on 05/08/2006 3:21:36 PM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: ToryHeartland

But evolution MUST start with a random, non-directed mutation in an individual, won't you agree? And then that individual's progeny must out-compete the other individuals, right?

Don't run away from the "ToE" as you call it.


17 posted on 05/08/2006 3:22:30 PM PDT by Elpasser
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Its not group evolution. What it showed was since the different ethnic groups were separated they all started evolving, but not nearly to the point where they were different species. Basically if left separated many different species would evolve out of homo sapiens.
18 posted on 05/08/2006 3:23:30 PM PDT by RHINO369
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19 posted on 05/08/2006 3:24:54 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Elpasser
Since there is no such thing as concurrent "group" evolution,

Huh? Of course there is. It's called gene flow and it's one of the four basic evolutionary mechanisms.

20 posted on 05/08/2006 3:25:07 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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