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To: DannyTN
The problem with your screed is that:

A> There is NO LOGICAL PROOF of ID. None. That's the point of why it is not science.

b> Who are YOU to decide "what is popular". There are millions of more Hindus and Buddhists than there are Christians...even using your own egocentric formula - your Christian teachings would be relegated to a "minor" role....and I don't think you would like it one bit.

c> Using logic, I must give the edge to the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may you be blessed by his noodly appendage) - because at least the FSM theroists don't try to twist science to their own religious ends - THEY have faith in their creator - and don't have to hypocritically fight science because they haven't bound their entire life, faith, and soul on the writings - then misinterpretations - of some dead human beings with their own agendas - which had NOTHING to do with divinity.

The Bible was not written by God.

Here's a decent example. Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights....for our purposed, consider this "Gods Word".

Now, go out and look at "MAn's LAws" as each state and the feds have passed them. You will see a LARGE discrepency.

Why?

Simple, political leaders corrupted the laws for thier own agendas.

Read the Bible.

The message in the Bible is: Be HAppy. Mind your own business. Here's a decent set of rules which, if followed, can make a viable, decent society.

To think that this message was not corrupted by the church - who WERE the political leaders of their time is ludicrous. They were powerful people trying to become even MORE powerful.

If you think the Bible is "the word of God" - you are a fool. All one has to do is calm ones mind and sit outdoors - and YOU will hear the word of God. You don't need some corrupt, dead, priest-politician to tell you what God wants....

114 posted on 05/09/2006 8:32:00 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: KeepUSfree
"Who are YOU to decide "what is popular". There are millions of more Hindus and Buddhists than there are Christians...even using your own egocentric formula - your Christian teachings would be relegated to a "minor" role....and I don't think you would like it one bit. "

Christianity is estimated to have more than 2 billion followers, Islam more than 1 billion. Hindus and buddists are far below those numbers.

But we don't have to consider what people believe in third world countries, we only need consider what American's believe and we are primarily Christian. There probably should be a threshold. Something like 5% sounds good to me, but since that would exclude any other groups other than Christians, perhaps we should go with 1 or 2%. But they shouldn't get equal time. That would pick up Muslims and Jews, but then they basically believe in intelligent design and/or guided evolution too. So you really aren't picking up any additional theories.

I'm confident enough that Christian teachings can stand up to any other theories...bring them on. It's better than the kids being taught only one view and not to think critically for themselves.

"The Bible was not written by God."

The Bible was inspired by God. The first five books were written by Moses, and they record that God told Moses to record certain historical facts. So God apparently oversaw the writing of at least a portion of those first 5 books. Moses was confirmed my many miracles in the sight of all of Israel and other nations. SO he had major credibility as a prophet of God.

What's important about those first 5 books is that they lay the foundation for all of the other works of the Bible. It is in those 5 books that you find the tests of a prophet. And it is in reference to those first five books that Israel knew which people were actually prophets and who to listen to and who to include in their canon.

Both the first 5 books and then the following prophets all told us about Jesus. Jesus was not only confirmed by the fulfillment of the prophecies foretold but was also confirmed by many miracles.

His disciples were well known and thus their writings have credibility. The apostles were also confirmed by miracles.

So while God didn't personally write down the words, I'd be real hesitant about discounting His influence. The fact is those words in the Bible hold up a standard that is far better than any other religion or code of ethics that man has come up with. It's readers and followers may not be perfect in implementation, but that doesn't mean the standard isn't the right standard.

"The message in the Bible is: Be HAppy. Mind your own business. Here's a decent set of rules which, if followed, can make a viable, decent society. "

You need to go back and read the Bible again, because that's not the message.

The message is "Be Holy for I am Holy". That doesn't always equate to happiness. God sometimes calls us to do things that make us decidely unhappy. He's our creator and He has that right.

Instead of "Mind your own business" the Bible actually tells us to "Rebuke your neighbor frankly so that you do not share in his sin." Or didn't you read that part? Did you know that God told one of the prophets that if God said that the wicked man will die in his sins, and that if the prophet didn't open his mouth to warn the wicked man, that God would hold the prophet responsible for the man's death? God doesn't tell us to mind our own business, rather he calls us to an active Love for others. We aren't responsible for other's decisions, but sometimes we have a responsibility to speak out of Love. And we have a societal responsibility because God gave dominion of the earth to man. Nowhere do I see God telling us to "mind our own business".

The closest he comes is telling us to get the board out of our own eyes so that we could see clearly before we try to get the splinter out of our neighbor's eye. But even then he didn't say it was wrong to help the neighbor, just to make sure that we were properly prepared to help.

"If you think the Bible is "the word of God" - you are a fool. All one has to do is calm ones mind and sit outdoors -and YOU will hear the word of God. "

I can tell you definitively based on what you said about "being happy and minding your own business", that is NOT God's voice you are hearing. Because that's not love and God calls us to Love Him and to Love others. Now the truth is that if you love others, you will be more joyful. But joyful is different than being happy and Love is NOT "live and let die - mind your own business".

146 posted on 05/09/2006 10:09:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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