Posted on 05/07/2006 10:00:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
LOL -- I've been there :-)
He was a freak.
Greater than Bonds, Mays, and Mantle combined.
Lesson over.
I was down at the game last night (Saturday) and believe me, the crowd was booing real loud every time Bonds went up to bat, trotted out to left field, or caught a fly ball. There were some very loud and ugly chants that started in the left field stands and they grew louder as adjoining sections piled on.
The people who were sitting around me were saying some really mean things about Bonds. Ninety-five percent of the people in the stands were thoroughly disgusted with Bonds. The place went nuts every time Bonds made an out at the plate.
Yet I looked around and the stands were full. The game was a sellout because of Bonds. Weird.
fakir.
How many games has Bonds the Doper pitched?
Yes. Doped record breakers suck...Bonds, McGwire, Sosa etc
Yes if he was truly contrite but he's not. Rose sure played the game with gusto....I miss that a whole lot.
Myself, I have no shame.........I pretty much just spew whatever comes to mind and hope that not too many people bother to take notice.
It don't mean nuten.
"should Pete Rose be allowed in the hall of fame?"
Yes. The man who thought a walk was just another chance to do a wind sprint.
Your welcome.
Good one! LOL!
"dingers"
Never did like that term for a home run. Sounds like something I could do.
Welcome to FR....given your laconic post I assume you are not a virgin around here.
Lay off Willie Mays will ya?
Anybody using the juice should have a great big * next to their name in the record book. Sammy Sosa all but fell off the map after those Congressional hearings on steroids, while McGwire basically took the 5th when asked if he'd ever taken performance enhancers.
As for Barry Bonds, I'm sure it's just a coinky-dink that at the same time his numbers explode, his body morphs from that of a decent outfielder to some body-building freak with an oversized head. Remember, before 2000, when he started cranking out homers at an unbelievable pace, his numbers were trending downward, as would happen to any aging ballplayer. Suddenly, when he should be thinking about retirement, he suddenly explodes with close to 300 dingers over the last 6 years? Take away the juice, and Big Giant Head is at tops a 550 homer man.
Finally, as to the question of whether or not Pete Rose belongs in the Hall: based on his achievments on the field, yes. But betting on baseball was always a no-no, and he knew better.
Interesting.
So your point is that Bonds cheats AND steals?
Personally, I say just let all the armchair has beens and never weres both in the media and on this thread take their potshots. Those of us fortunate enough to have watched Bonds over the last 20 + years (including high school) know that whether you like him or not, whether he used illegal substances in the last several years or not, know we've been watching something special. If he was crazy enough to use things that would enhance his performance and possibly hurt him later, he's really only hurt himself. The enhancers don't explain the quick wrists, the pitch selection and the awesome swing. They may have helped him swing a bit harder, and hit the ball a bit farther, but they didn't make him a star. He was already a star before any charges were made, and there was any indication of steroid use.
All the know it alls who think they should control whether he goes into the hall of fame, or has an asterick in the record books are free to make their comments and spew their statistics, but in the end, Barry is still one of the greatest ballplayers fo all time. Get over it!
The year Ruth hit 54 home runs, that was more home runs than any American league team had hit that year. That should tell you something about the caliber of pitching that was around before expansion. Ruth was doing something that entire teams could not do. Some of the greatest pitchers ever were pitching back in Ruth's days, and those rosters had only four starters. Todays pitching rosters have five starters, and these 5th starters are guys who wouldn't have made any major league team in Ruth's days, and probably not even any minor league team.
BTW, exactly which Black and Latino pitchers has Bonds had to face in his career that were better than Walter Johnson (110 career shutouts, 3,509 K's), Bob Feller, (44 career shutouts, 2,581 strikeouts in 18 yrs) , Dizzy Dean (23 shutouts in a 6 year span, won 120 games in his first 5 seasons), Lefty Grove, (172 wins in a 7 year span, 35 career shutouts), Grover Cleveland Alexander ( 373 career wins, 2.56 career ERA)??
Another consideration is that Ruth played during the days of the 4-man pitching rotation; Bonds played during the 5-man rotation. This means, of course, that the "5th" pitchers in today's rotations are garbage men who would not have made the rosters of any Major Leage team in Ruth's day, and probably not even the minor leagues. This probably adds another 100 or so cheasy home runs to Bonds' already steroid-tainted total.
Lastly, how can you compare the greatest all around baseball player ever, the only man who absolutely mastered both pitching and hitting and was an AllStar in both, with an artificially pumped up steroid freak?
For the record, Babe Ruth was an excellent base runner. In fact he successfully stole home 10 times, stole 123 total bases even though he never had an attempt in his first four years (as a pitcher). He was a very competent fielder with a strong, accurate throwing arm.
Babe Ruth has 7 World Series rings; Barry Bonds is working on 7 Grand Jury indictments and Congressional investigations. To sum up, Ruth was the better player, the better man, and (unlike Bonds) was good for the game of baseball.
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