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To: Smokin' Joe
You not only do not get the idea that this guy was apparently a hazard to everyone there including his daughter by his actions, and regardless of his qualifications. ...........Is it "OK" to endanger Fire/Rescue, EMS, and police responders, the pilot and everyone there driving into the scene like an idiot ("narrowly missing a helicopter") because he is a doctor? You apparently do not want to.

So, he was "driving like an idiot" based on what?

The complaining cop's version of the events?

You seem to have the mind set that accused is presumed guilty of what the cop accused him of or else he would not have been charged in the first place.

As a fireman, I have had to restrain relatives who in their fervor to cuddle their child would have done them serious damage. No fun, but definitely in the patient's best interest.

And what does that have to do with an anesthesiologist who is, by medical specialty, the most qualified medical specialist to handle a critical life support situation?

Look at Phsstpok's Post 38 where he relates where the cops moved a girl without securing her neck after a riding accident thereby resulting in her death?

If you were a fireman at that scene and a relative with more medical experience than the cops had barged in to say, "Don't you move my daughter without securing her neck!"............What would you have done?

Restrain the relative for the patient's "best interest"?

No cop I have ever known would have charged the father with a felony unless he had acted with brazen disregard for the safety of those on the scene, and that ultimately includes his daughter.

Tell that to Phsstpok.

The cop he had a confrontation with threatened to arrest him for "refusing to follow his orders" even though the cop's order could have killed this patient just like that very same cop had killed the teen aged girl in the horse riding accident:

Post 38: The only cop on the scene told me to grab her legs and we'd drag her outside to get her out of the way. I refused and told him I was in charge of the patient and to stay out of my way. I had EMT training and I knew that he had failed his last advanced lifesaving course because I'd helped to teach it. I also knew about an incident at a local horse riding competition where he and some other local cops had moved a teen aged girl after she was injured (but conscious) without securing her neck, which was broken, and she died. This was before the ambulance arrived on scene. I wasn't on that crew and it all got hushed up, but it really pissed me off.............. The cop in this incident freaked after I "refused to follow his orders" and was going to arrest me. I stood up (I'm bigger than he is) and quietly, nose to nose, cited chapter and verse of the NY State law that said if he interfered with me I'd have him arrested and charged and make sure that he was prosecuted (which I could do in both that town and county as I had the connections). He stormed off and we took care of the patient (she'd had a reaction to medication and we needed to get her to the hospital before they could diagnose and properly treat her, but she ended up being fine)............... Two hours later I got a call from the town chief of police ready to read me the riot act because of the story his officer had told him. I calmly explained the real situation to him and he ended up agreeing that I had done the only thing I could (particularly after I reminded him of the horse riding incident). The cop didn't get fired, but he was taken off of regular patrol for 6 months and put on traffic.

163 posted on 05/09/2006 2:48:04 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
So, he was "driving like an idiot" based on what?

You secure an accident scene to provide an environment where the paramedics can stabilize and extricate the victim wihtout worrying about getting run over. You secure a site to land an evac helicopter so people do not run into the helo while it is waiting or loading victims for transport. Breaching that cordon with a vehicle qualifies as driving like an idiot, in my book.

Maybe you think people should ignore flagmen at construction sites as well.

The complaining cop's version of the events?

You misspelled that. It is cops' version (plural--read the article).

We had it out with local police when I was a fireman over EMS qualifications. Either you had the card--and the experience--or you didn't. Most police personnel did not.

It came to a head when we had a drill, complete with overturned vehicles in the ditch, moulages, blood pumps and fake blood, etc. We did not advise the police beforehand.

One of the firemen from a company involved was laying in a depression, half under one of the vehicles, with a very convincing fake disembowelment, rigged with a pulsing pump which was switched on to spew fake blood as the first police officer on the scene approached (dispatch was aware of the drill, but did not advise the officer). The officer in question stared until the pump ran dry, went back to the cruiser, retrieved a blanket and placed it over the 'deceased'.

To say the least, when the dust settled, things had been sorted out.

You seem to have the mind set that accused is presumed guilty of what the cop accused him of or else he would not have been charged in the first place.

I suppose the police and EMS personnel could have made all this up. Now would you explain why? Just to be buttheads?

Get real, relatives are normally cut a lot of slack for being upset.

Look at Phsstpok's Post 38 where he relates where the cops moved a girl without securing her neck after a riding accident thereby resulting in her death?

Who said the cops were qualified EMS personnel? Not me. See what I wrote above.

If you were a fireman at that scene and a relative with more medical experience than the cops had barged in to say, "Don't you move my daughter without securing her neck!"............What would you have done?

First, the relative would not have had to advise me of that. As far as the police officer goes, if necessary, I would have resorted to battery of the officer to stop him from moving an unsecured likely cervical fracture victim.

In this state, I have a right to intervene on behalf of a third party in order to save their life, up to and including lethal force. It would have been a real legal mess, but the x-rays and medical testimony would have been my defense in court.

I am not anti-doctor here. I am not anti-relative. I am not strictly pro-cop. But, in my experience (where victims' relatives have been cut a lot of slack) this guy had to really be out of line to be slapped with a felony charge.

167 posted on 05/10/2006 12:10:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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