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Jessica Lynch Ends First Year of College
Yahooooooo! ^ | May 6, 2006 | Allison Barker

Posted on 05/06/2006 1:48:16 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: raybbr

"I tell people the best women you'll ever see as a group are in the military, but they don't belong there. (with obvious exceptions of course as was the case 50 years ago, finance, nursing etc.)"


81 posted on 05/06/2006 6:04:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: taxcontrol

Your point is why the "every man and infantryman" philosophy is being stressed. It is tough to do that with a volunteer army though. We just don't have the demographics. The young men are not joining.


82 posted on 05/06/2006 6:05:51 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: marmar
Hi Marmar! Any deployments scheduled in your near future?
83 posted on 05/06/2006 6:08:22 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Zhang Fei

Currently, one thing you are forgetting about is the "I'm in Iraq so I have to fire my weapon" syndrome. Who wants to deploy as an 11B, 13F, etc. and never fire a shot?


84 posted on 05/06/2006 6:08:27 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: Donald Meaker

"What is more important, the act, or the medal which commerates the act? What is more holy, the Altar, or the Gift on the Altar"

How about we ask the dead who got dead when a bunch of irregular ragheads fired a RPG and so pitifully few of the Americans hunkered down and fought.

This support unit would once have been staffed by people held to a standard dictated by the Army's past combat experiences. Those standards were not only lowered but in many cases utterly discarded in the service of PC.

Two of the females reaction to the RPG was to scream "we're not supposed to be here". Bet that helped.


85 posted on 05/06/2006 6:09:11 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: ansel12

You'll see dual standards eliminated the day conscription is resumed.


86 posted on 05/06/2006 6:09:26 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: ansel12
"To have a different standard for the men is to put the lie to the claim the women are capable of doing the job"

To have a solid grasp on reality is to put the lie to the claim the women are capable of doing the job. How often do you hear mentioned the fact that SGT Hester had to hand her grenade off to a male because she could not throw it far enough.

87 posted on 05/06/2006 6:12:04 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: Thumbellina

She may to have met the doctor just because she did not want to relive the trauma. Repeated sodomy, if you believe her account.


88 posted on 05/06/2006 6:13:29 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: Reagan 76

I served during conscription, and after it. Dual standards were in place during both.

Conscription means that you have soldiers who don't want to be there. You give them training, automatic weapons, and then attempt to lead them against an enemy.

Conscription had lots of medals for enthusiastic volunteers, who hid in bunkers, while conscripts took wounds, death, and did great things as they fought to protect their buddies, and got nothing. Be wary of panaceas. Conscription is a form of slavery. Before I supported slavery, I would require a LOT of evidence.


89 posted on 05/06/2006 6:14:33 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (The MG-42 has a rate of fire of 1300 rounds per minute.)
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To: ansel12
He is the man that created Delta Force.

Was.

Hackworth, in his later years, was a bitter man who, one suspects, realized that he was from another era and knew that his ideas were archaic. Unfortunately, instead of fading away, he lashed out in books, and articles and interviews. A regular on FOXNEWS, his diatribes forced even his friend Hannity to call on him less and less.

A sad ending.

90 posted on 05/06/2006 6:18:24 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: Donald Meaker

Ayn Rand speaks. The Israeli and Finnish and Korean armies are conscript and quite professional. Our army that fought in Pusan, Bastonge and Tet were all quite professional. Hadn't heard that all the volunteers hid and the conscripts were shot though. Fussell and Ambrose will need to rewrite their accounts.


91 posted on 05/06/2006 6:20:38 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I came home to no Air Conditioning, a broken water heater and I had to fix my truck.......oh yeah my phone was also broken. I got home on the 23 of Dec 06, and I decided that I needed a break. There are some out there for Honduras and Balad. I am not ready to go yet. How are you?
92 posted on 05/06/2006 6:31:29 PM PDT by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there are............)
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To: marmar
I got home on the 23 of Dec 06, and I decided that I needed a break.

Geez... you must be frazzled, you don't get home for another 8 months! Just kidding! You need a well deserved break. Hope your home front is falling back in to place. Things are going very well in my current comfy lifestyle. My biggest heartburn is the MSM lies.. but I can turn that off at any time. Thanks again for doing what you do... it is GREATLY appreciated!

93 posted on 05/06/2006 6:44:29 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: sinkspur

"Hackworth, in his later years, was a bitter man who, one suspects, realized that he was from another era and knew that his ideas were archaic. Unfortunately, instead of fading away, he lashed out in books, and articles and interviews"



The Hackworth question is big, and argued much.

Personally I always felt something was wrong in his brain, I would love to know if he was using pot in Vietnam and when he moved to Australia.

Even books written by officers that served under him make my antennae tingle about their integrity.


94 posted on 05/06/2006 6:58:13 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Slowly but surely....I have to take up a part time job, but that is what I do...I will be fine. Thanx for enjoying your comfy life......
95 posted on 05/06/2006 7:03:32 PM PDT by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there are............)
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To: Donald Meaker

"I served during conscription, and after it. Dual standards were in place during both. "

There weren't dual standards of course, but B.G Burkett writes in "Stolen Valor" that in WWII about 33% of the military were volunteers (although we were in the great depression)

During Vietnam about 33% of the military were draftees, many of them of course volunteering for the airborne, Special Forces, or other units likely to get them to Vietnam.

So WWII, draftee war...Vietnam, volunteer war.


96 posted on 05/06/2006 7:14:38 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: marmar
Thanx for enjoying your comfy life......

I hope that was sarcasm... you asked how I was doing. I tried to re-enter active duty USAF in the summer of 2001, but was told I was 2 months to old.

97 posted on 05/06/2006 7:23:59 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Reagan 76

"How often do you hear mentioned the fact that SGT Hester had to hand her grenade off to a male because she could not throw it far enough."


I knew that women couldn't handle the Hand Grenade, but I didn't know it came up during that engagement.

Still she sounds like a very exciting woman, as a southerner I admire a woman like that.


98 posted on 05/06/2006 7:28:41 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Americanexpat
I have no problems with suppressive fire and understand it's need, esp in the hail of lead scenario. However, the folks that you were observing either had already been in a combat, or had at the very least, been trained to respond to a combat situation.

Most REMFs don't get that kind of training. In all fairness, I don't think we can expect them to act like seasoned veterans. This is a fault of lack of training... not the individual.
99 posted on 05/06/2006 9:53:12 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Reagan 76

Point well taken. I consider that specific point an issue of the combat rotations and attribute it to a lack of the proper force mix for the mission.

I still contend that the Active Army needs another 6 to 8 combat brigades, and the Marines need 3 or 4.


100 posted on 05/06/2006 9:55:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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