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To: Ben Ficklin
The reality is that the far right doesn't have enough votes to elect a president. Your only claim to political power is that you can prevent someone from being elected

Indeed!

Every 10-12 years, the RNC has to do some house cleaning. Bush's term is over in "08 and the party will be forced to abandon it's extreme right wing to move to the center where the general electorate is. Also, it will be in response to the DNC move to the center as well. It will be quite a battle for supremacy, and nobody that belongs to this so called true conservative wing of the party will be happy with the candidates that emerge from the primary fights.

The candidates will both be centrists, and both the extreme left wing and the right wing of each party will be alienated. There will be a mad scramble on both sides for third parties, and the winner will be chosen as a result of who is split worse, and who has more apathetic voters stay home.

I can't, at this time predict who that will be. It depends on how many blue dog Democrats we pick up and how many of their liberal lefties stay home or vote Green.

We are certain to suffer some severe loss in seats, but we may be able to hold on to the reigns.

One thing is clear. The Republican party will not look like it does today. We cannot win elections with a somewhat large segment that is at war with the rest of the party. We cut Buchanan loose during the last upheaval, and I would think that this cut will be much larger and deeper, based on the rhetoric coming from right wing congress critters.

The RNC needs to stop pussy footing and start playing hardball, or we will lose. We need to look this in the eye and take it to it's ultimate conclusion now, before it is too late to rebuild the base for the '08 general elections..

if we don't, it will be 2012 before we see power again.

307 posted on 05/06/2006 11:07:59 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
Every 10-12 years, the RNC has to do some house cleaning. Bush's term is over in "08 and the party will be forced to abandon it's extreme right wing to move to the center where the general electorate is. Also, it will be in response to the DNC move to the center as well. It will be quite a battle for supremacy, and nobody that belongs to this so called true conservative wing of the party will be happy with the candidates that emerge from the primary fights.

You're delusional, or politically suicidal.

308 posted on 05/06/2006 11:10:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Cold Heat; Jim Robinson

Hey, Jim. While there have certainly been a fair share of folks in a ditch as far as calling for the destruction of the GOP, the impeachment of the President, etc., the post I'm referencing here is the ditch on the other side of the road.

Or more accurately, it is comments like this that are driving conservatives away from the GOP and alienating the base of our party.

And as long as RINOs like this have free play, no one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to hold the GOP coalition together.


312 posted on 05/06/2006 11:18:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Cold Heat; EternalVigilance

So what you are saying is that the conservatives have been right all along and that the GOP will continue it leftward tilt and merge with the Dems, right?

Who are these 'far right' people that you despise so much, besides Eternal Vigilance (and quite likely now, me)?

BTW, you should take any compliment that you get even if it is an insult and misconstrued by you as a compliment.


376 posted on 05/06/2006 3:27:57 PM PDT by Badray (We can survive pneumonia, but the flu will kill us. The Dems are pneumonia. RINOs are the flu.)
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To: Cold Heat
Re your post #307, the one that rubbed me the wrong way to begin with: I think you took way too many political science classes.

Every 10-12 years, the RNC has to do some house cleaning.

Care to give us some documented examples of when the RNC did such a thing? Or is this just a figment of your imagination.

Bush's term is over in "08 and the party will be forced to abandon it's extreme right wing to move to the center where the general electorate is.

Care to explain how one goes about such a purge?

Also, it will be in response to the DNC move to the center as well.

Sorry, bub. The DNC and its congressional leadership went irretreivably left quite some time ago. They don't know the way back.

It will be quite a battle for supremacy, and nobody that belongs to this so called true conservative wing of the party will be happy with the candidates that emerge from the primary fights.

Do you write fiction for a living?

The candidates will both be centrists, and both the extreme left wing and the right wing of each party will be alienated. There will be a mad scramble on both sides for third parties, and the winner will be chosen as a result of who is split worse, and who has more apathetic voters stay home.

Spoken with the confidence of a prophet.

I can't, at this time predict who that will be.

Crystal ball go fuzzy?

It depends on how many blue dog Democrats we pick up...

Hey, you might get all six of them that are left!

We are certain to suffer some severe loss in seats, but we may be able to hold on to the reigns.

"Reigns"? Hah...

One thing is clear. The Republican party will not look like it does today.

Without conservatives, what is left of it will look like a trial-size Democrat Party.

We cannot win elections with a somewhat large segment that is at war with the rest of the party.

Looks to me, reading your posts, that it is YOU that is "at war" with the majority in the GOP.

We cut Buchanan loose during the last upheaval...

Delusions of grandeur.

...and I would think that this cut will be much larger and deeper, based on the rhetoric coming from right wing congress critters.

Your repeated use of the word "right-wing" in a derogatory manner says much about where you're coming from.

The RNC needs to stop pussy footing and start playing hardball, or we will lose.

The RNC and its affiliates has never stopped "playing hardball" against conservatives. In fact, it is that very attitude that has led us to where we are now. And your solution to the bleeding is to cut the victim some more. Just brilliant.

We need to look this in the eye and take it to it's ultimate conclusion now, before it is too late to rebuild the base for the '08 general elections.

You're about five years behind Rove, and too ignorant to know that Rove's similiar plan died in the streets with marching illegal aliens...

...if we don't, it will be 2012 before we see power again.

You're from what I call the PIG wing of the party, obviously: "Power Is God".

444 posted on 05/07/2006 12:34:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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