[nightdriver]

"I mean just because some of these people telling us this "nonsense" about biodiversity spent decades actually learning something about it, doesn't mean they know anything."

And your sarcastic point is...? Just what did all these people learn in their decades of study? Did they ever incur the loss of income because of the protected activity of wolves and other predators? My guess is that they didn't. They only have a desire to impose their will on others who do.

The erosion of the topsoil of your grandparents' farm is analogous to the predators' indiscriminate killing (and, believe me, that is the way they do it) of my livestock.

Both situations rob the livelyhood. In the case of erosion, I planted grassed waterways and terraced my farm. In the case of predators, I ought-sixed them at every possible chance I could get.

[Wizy]

So rather than actually taking measures to prevent them from getting at the livestock. Its better to kill them regardless of what is actually necessary for sound ecosystem management? I guess were simply going to agree to disagree at this point. As far as my sarcastic point...its pretty easy to ridicule what effects you, when you don't actual understand it. It would be easy for me to point fingers at various agricultural practices for the effects they have had on our water quality, yet rather then that relatively "unproductive" line of thinking, I try to find ways and incentives for them to change their practices. There is always another way...removing a species from existence without actually understanding its role, or the consequences its loss will have on us, is foolish at best. Anyway I'm out for now, best to all. Oh and watch those "terraces" they tend to create scours, which can lead to large land slumps.