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E.U. Solution to U.S. Illegal Immigration
Santa Monica Mirror ^ | May 4 - 10, 2006 | Steven Hill

Posted on 05/05/2006 1:54:20 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: lsjogren


And it's always comical when someone cites an absurd example of success.

Citing Europe as an example of economic and social success.


I also get a kick out of when people cite Bush as an example of political success. I believe it was political analyst Allan Hoffenblum that said Arnold Schwarzenegger should emulate George Bush in his outreach to Latinos- that was the way for Schwarzenegger to be politically successful.

Yeah, right, George W. Bush is the great model of how to be a successful politician.


41 posted on 05/05/2006 2:59:47 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: oblomov

bump for later


42 posted on 05/05/2006 3:04:26 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say."

I think I prefer Randy Newman.

We give them money, but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful.
They don't respect us, so let's surprise them.
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.

43 posted on 05/05/2006 3:04:51 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hedgetrimmer

"They are the G8, the WTO, the World Bank and the IMF. They know exactly what they are doing."

Under the continual guidance of the CFR.


44 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: HiJinx

ping


45 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:33 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hedgetrimmer

I prefer to simply use the US military, roll over mexico and annex it as the 51st state. If that won't work, mine the border.


46 posted on 05/05/2006 3:05:38 PM PDT by last american
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yeh, worked real well in Denmark, Holland, France, and the UK, huh?


47 posted on 05/05/2006 3:07:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I wonder if the author of this piece realizes that the Germans are going nuts in northern germany because of all the Muslims from Turkey that moved to Berlin and are destroying the city.


48 posted on 05/05/2006 3:08:24 PM PDT by last american
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To: hedgetrimmer

USTDA funding last year was about $44million. Alot of money but not a huge amount considering. There are plenty of agencies in the government getting a couple $100 mil a year that we could do away with but dont make a hill of beans to our deficit.


49 posted on 05/05/2006 3:12:48 PM PDT by ritewingwarrior
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To: ritewingwarrior

The government is not authorized by the constitution to give away our tax money to improve the infrastructure of foreign countries so our businesses can outsource and offshore there. It is not authorized by the constitution to give away our tax money to negotiate FDI by shutting down domestic industry in exchange for businesses to be able to directly invest in foreign countries.

So it really doesn't matter if the money is small in comparison, its just plain WRONG.


50 posted on 05/05/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Hm....I wonder if these 10 countries wanted to be part or the EU? Or if the people of the EU wanted these 10 countries to be part of their Union?


51 posted on 05/05/2006 3:49:28 PM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: dirtboy
I note that nowhere in this article are any metrics that this approach is actually working.

There's the problem, we don't use the metric system.

52 posted on 05/05/2006 3:49:41 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: hedgetrimmer

And, the government is not authorized to allow a fiat currency to exist, either.


53 posted on 05/05/2006 3:52:02 PM PDT by Tax Government (Defeat the evil miscreant donkeys and their rhino lackeys.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Our illegal immigration problems are because these policies ARE being implemented, only our politicians are afraid to admit it to the American people."

Concur. It is the only thing that makes a bit of sense. Although, I don't see how they could keep such a position secret regardless if true why won't they have a debate? I don't think they could win a debate on the merits. Too many problems in Mexico and the people lean socialist. The dims would be thrilled but I don't know what the pubbies see in this approach.
54 posted on 05/05/2006 4:28:58 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: hedgetrimmer

This is what is just below the surface of the "immigration" debate.


55 posted on 05/05/2006 4:31:45 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Um there are about 3 times as many Americans as there are Mexicans. Mexico is much smaller country.
56 posted on 05/05/2006 4:32:30 PM PDT by gafusa
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I knew this was going to rear it's ugly head in conjunction with this issue.

The same pricks that want open borders just happen to want FTAA. They've gotten us in this f'n mess and now they have the perfect solution.

All those in favor, please take a long walk off a short pier.


57 posted on 05/05/2006 4:41:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Load of crap.

...solution to the very real problems along the U.S.-Mexican border can be found, ironically, in that other part of the world that American demagogues love to ridicule: old Europe.

"Old Europe" continues to have one of the lowest economic growth rates in the developed world.

The average GDP growth rate for the EU, for the period 1994 to 2005 is a pathetic 1.9% for the "old" 15 members of the EU and 1.6% for the whole 25 EU members.

While the figures for the "new" 10 members would appear to drag down the whole (from 1.9% to 1.6%), the individual country figures tell a different story.

Every single one of the fastest growing economies in the EU are all new members and they all adopted flat taxes.

Estonia, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 6.72%

Latvia, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 6.9%

Lithuania, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 5.13%

Slovenia, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 4.07%

Slovokia, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 4.13%

Romania, avg GDP growth 1994-2005 3.53%

Average for the flat tax countries in the EU, 5.29%

Whereas the slowest performing economies in the EU (GDP growth rate 1994-2005) were all "old EU" nations with high tax rates:

Germany, 1.37%

Italy, 1.53%

France, 1.79%

Netherlands, 1.82%

Austria, 192%

Belgium, 1.99%

The fastest growing nation in the "old EU" is Ireland, with 6.13% (average GDP growth 1994-2005). But, it should be no surprise that Ireland has the lowest corporate tax rate in the "old EU", just 12.50%, which is less than half the average corporate tax rate for the "old EU" (28%).

The next fastest growing nations in the "old EU" are tiny Luxemburg (A: 3.43%) and Finland (B: 3.4%) and again no surprise, because they have the 6th lowest (A: 29.63%) and 4th lowest (B: 26%) corporate tax rates and the two lowest top individual tax rates (A: 38.95%, B: 32.5%).

In sum, it is not the "old EU" model, nor wealth transfers to the new EU that is "growing" anything in Europe, it is the rejection of the "old EU" tax model that is creating growth in the EU.

Meanwhile, those nations that accepted the line that iof they just transferred some of their wealth to others, that would stimulate growth and help them as well. Well, they are the worst economic performers in the EU as the table above shows.

The tables above come from data from:

http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/portal/page?_pageid=1996,39140985&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&screen=detailref&language=en&product=SDI_MAIN&root=SDI_MAIN/sdi/sdi_ed/sdi_ed_inv/sdi_ed1110

And: http://www.worldwide-tax.com/index.asp#partthree

So, while the author says: "Immigration issues are always ripe for demagoguery, particularly in an election year." And goes on to add....." But the solution to the very real problems along the U.S.-Mexican border can be found, ironically, in that other part of the world that American demagogues love to ridicule: old Europe." We know exactly who is dealing in "demogoguery"

When the author says:

"So for starters it gave the new states massive subsidies – billions of dollars – to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, making these nations more attractive for business investment. The idea was to raise up the emerging economies rather than drag down the advanced economies."

We need only look at the EU nation that has received the most subsidies, which began before the latest 10 were added, and that's Portugal and it's average GDP growth rate , 1994-2005 is a paltry 2.26%, compared to the eastern Europe, low tax groups rate for the same period, of 3.93%.

The facts can not even support a claim by the author that the new 10 added nations growth is due to "subsidies", because they have been growin at rates higher than the "old EU", consistently since before they were added. But when its myths you want to make, why bother with facts.

And, its clear that the "larger economic union" has not become one in which "a rising tide floats all boats", because the only boats in the EU that are floating are those who are turing their backs on "old EU" policies.

The "bold" EU plan has demonstrated nothing worth emulating, and inspite of all the diplomatic blather about an "open" EU, they are as protectionist as ever, if its from outside the EU.

There will be no plan of "massive subsidies from the U.S. to Mexico" or any "Tex-Mex Marshall Plan". Mexico can reach a "goal of decreasing" its "disparities" with the U.S. by changing tax, investment, finance, business regulation laws to unlock the economic power of its citizens. And, make a war on its corruption and do some trust-busting with the monopolies of its crony-capitalists.

Those are the things that will foster a "climate riper for investment" and "create more jobs in Mexico", "foster a middle class, homeownership and better schools, roads and healthcare." Not massive subsidies.

Yes, we know about Europe's "continent-wide political institutions for all 25 nations." and we can thank God almighty that Americans are not in favor of limiting their sovereignty under such Marxist behemoths. There is nothing "better" about "larger". Individual nations can make mulitple bi-lateral agreements that are complimentary with subsuming their laws and regulations under a larger entity.

As to: "more Americans also would begin emigrating to Mexico"; if anyone thinks Americans want to go live, in large numbers, under the stifling, foreigner hating laws in Mexico, they are ignorant of the subject and their brain is in dreamland.

You know the author is in dreamland as they conclude with: "In the meantime, the U.S. is missing out on huge economic opportunities while the European Union has grown to the largest trading bloc in the world, poised for the 21st century." Again, it is really pathetic that that "largest trading bloc" of 25 nations has a GDP that is larger than the entire EU and that GDP is 153% larger than the EU on a per capita basis ($44,000/per-capita vs $28,100/per-capita).

In other words, the author does not know what they are talking about.

58 posted on 05/05/2006 4:54:23 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: dirtboy

After all, they don't call it the Peoples Republic of Santa monica for nothing : )


59 posted on 05/05/2006 5:45:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: hedgetrimmer

Great, just great.

Bartender, make that a double.


60 posted on 05/05/2006 5:55:02 PM PDT by moehoward
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