[camle]

reckon even zogby can't spin this...

[AbeKrieger]

Let's put it on the ol' ballot and see what happens.

[Puppage]

A new Zogby poll of likely voters finds that Americans prefer, by two to one, the House of Representatives’ enforcement-only bill to the Senate’s plan to grant guest-worker status.

Which is EXACTLY the reason why, like abortion, We The People won't be allowed to vote on the issue.

[siunevada]

So when's the next demonstration scheduled?

They might be able to get those numbers even higher.

Si se puede.

[Semper Paratus]

Congress reacted with great speed to voter outrage over the Dubai port deal. Why are they so reticent now?

[mysterio]

Welcome to FR and all.

[evets]

[isrul]

The poll has to be bogus. Bush can't be out of touch. I'm sure someone (bushbot) will weigh in to straighten this out. This illegal immigration thing is not a big issue according to some at FR

[Innisfree]

...despite all the pro-amnesty rhetoric in the liberal media, 64 percent of Americans still favor an enforcement-only approach.If we were to have a more balanced media, with more opponents of immigration allowed to speak, this number would possibly jump from 64 to 80 percent.

Instead, the media is spinning the choreographed parades of illegal aliens through the streets of American cities as an indication of general support for amnesty.

It seems that we're going to have de facto amnesty, in the form of a guest-worker program, shoved down our throats by the Senate(after the election, of course). Bush will never sign an enforcement-only bill.

[Reagan Man]

Voters Reject Guest-Worker PLan

That's more like it. Prior to the current uproar over illegal immigration issue and the criminal alien protest marches, 2/3-3/4 of Americans wanted the borders secured and employer sanctions enforced before any temporary worker program was ever considered. With amnesty for illegals having always been out of the question for 80% of Americans. Now that America has witnessed the public displays of support for unlawful behavior by illegal immigrants, it appears polling numbers are returning to their earlier position. Even liberal pollsters like Zogby are getting the message. Now only if Bush, McCain and Kennedy would would get the message, we could see passage of a tough enforcement only bill, like HR4437.

[sinkspur]

It's no surprise that Roberts would tout this Zogby poll. It is sponsored by The Center for Immigration Studies whose mission statement includes advocacy for "low immigration."

This is an "advocacy" poll, meaning that it reaches the conclusion that its sponsor wanted it to reach.

CIS is an adjunct to FAIR:

“Let’s be clear,” wrote Frank Sharry of the National Immigration Forum, “CIS was birthed by FAIR, the militant anti-immigration group. The CIS executive director moved from FAIR to CIS to head up the organization. Although now independent, the two organizations share the same basic agenda: an American version of what in Europe is called ‘zero immigration.’” According to Sharry, CIS masquerades as an objective, “squeaky clean” think tank, but CIS is “simply churning out high-sounding, low-credibility grist for the high-pitch, low-road anti-immigration forces in the United States.” This assessment of CIS is widely shared among pro-immigrant groups, but CIS studies are not only frequently cited by the “low-road” nativist forces but also by major news media. Source.

[bcsco]

A week or so ago I sent my congressman (Don Manzullo, (R) IL) an email on immigration. I received a letter in response today and am glad to say he is in solid support of H.R. 4437, and firmly against any proposal of amnesty. He wants a fence built!

I just now emailed him the link to this thread asking that he read the thread, the article it links to, and that he pass along the news of this poll to all his colleagues in both chambers. It's time these people learned that their future rides on what transpires between now and November. Enough is enough!

[TC Builders]

Here's my reply from Rat Debbie Stabenow, I haven't gotten a reply from any of my other Rats.

Because of your strong interest . .



. . . I am writing to update you on the status of the immigration bills before the Senate. You will be pleased to know that all three of the proposals being debated have tough border security and enforcement provisions which I strongly support. I have been to our southern border and have seen for myself how out-of-control it is. I have included a summary of the enforcement provisions for your review.



In addition, I am sponsoring an amendment with Senator Byron Dorgan to eliminate the new guest worker program being proposed. At a time when the Administration and Congress should be fighting for American jobs, it's wrong to create a program to bring in 400,000 new guest workers every year in addition to the process set up for those who are already here. Importing cheap labor or exporting American jobs are the wrong priorities for Michigan.



The proposals before us have many different provisions and are very complicated. As a northern border state with an important agriculture economy, we have issues we must address. That's why I believe we need a balanced and comprehensive solution. But it must start with tough border security and it must not add new guest worker programs that undermine American jobs and wages.



As the debate continues, I will fight for these principles. Our immigration system is broken and it must be fixed! Thank you for sharing your views with me. Please don't hesitate to contact me whenever I can be of assistance to you and your family.



Sincerely,

Debbie Stabenow

United States Senator





Immigration Enforcement Provisions in Senate Immigration Bill


Doubled Border Patrol -- adds 12,000 new agents (2,400 each year for the next 5 years).

Doubled Interior Enforcement -- adds 1,000 investigators per year for next 5 years.

Tightened Controls--expands exit-entry security system at all land borders and airports.

Construction of Barriers -- mandates new roads and vehicle barriers at borders.

Construction of Fences -- provides additional border fences at specific vulnerable sectors.

New Checkpoints -- authorizes new permanent highway checkpoints near border.

New Security Perimeter -- adds new technology at the border to help stop illegal immigration

New Ports of Entry -- authorizes additional ports of entry along land borders.

Increased DHS Resources for Transporting Aliens -- requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to expand ability to retrieve aliens detained by local police.

New Criminal Penalties for Tunnels -- creates new crime for construction, financing, and use of unlawful tunnels.

New Criminal Penalties for Evading Immigration Officers -- creates significant criminal penalties for evading or refusing to obey commands of immigration officers.

New Criminal Penalties for Money Laundering -- creates significant criminal penalties for financial transactions related to money laundering or smuggling.

Comprehensive Surveillance Plan -- mandates new land and water surveillance plan.

Expanded Anti-Smuggling Efforts -- mandates assistance to secure Mexico's southern border.

Improved inter-agency coordination on alien smuggling-- requires DHS to develop and implement plan to improve coordination between federal agencies and local authorities involved in efforts to combat alien smuggling.

Increased Document Fraud Detection -- increases access to anti-fraud detection resources.

Biometric Identifiers--new fraud-proof immigration documents with biometrics.

Expanded Detention Authority -- provides new authority to detain dangerous individuals.

Increased Detention Facilities -- requires DHS to acquire 20 new detention facilities to accommodate at least 10,000 detainees.

Expanded Terrorist Removal Grounds-- expands authority to remove suspected terrorists.

Expanded Aggravated Felony Definition -- increases penalties for participation in smuggling and other crimes plus revises and expands definition of aggravated felony.

Faster Removal -- tightens removal period, adds new penalties for failure to depart.

Increased Criminal Sentences -- enhances sentences for repeat illegal entrants and variety of other crimes.

New Removal Grounds -- adds new passport and fraud offenses as ground for removal.

Removal of Criminals Prior to Release -- expands immigration hearings in prisons.

State and Local Police Authority -- authorizes state and local law enforcement officers to investigate, apprehend, arrest, detain or transfer to aliens to federal custody.

Immigration Status in National Crime Database -- requires inclusion of information about immigration status violators in national database

Prohibits Time Limits on Background Checks -- bars any immigration benefits until background checks are completed.

Criminal Penalties for Aid to Undocumented -- makes aiding undocumented a crime, but provides defense if aid is purely humanitarian.

Assistance to States -- provides reimbursement for costs of prosecuting and imprisoning undocumented criminal aliens.

[mrsmith]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3839349.html

"...Support for the Senate bill was lower in the poll for the Center for Immigration Studies because the bill was described as doubling the number of green cards "in the future from 1 to 2 million a year," said research director Steven Camarota.

Experts generally agree with the green card estimate.

"When you tell them that, they don't like that," Camarota said of the proposed legalization plan. "They say, 'What?' "

The poll's methodology was faulted by Tamar Jacoby, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Public Research, which is urging passage of the Senate bill.

"If you look at polling done by all the major polling organizations this past month, voters do think that illegal immigrants here should have a chance to earn their way to citizenship," Jacoby said. "There's been a sea change in public opinion."

The Zogby survey overlapped with an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, conducted April 21-24, in which 61 percent favored letting illegal immigrants stay if they pass a security check, pay taxes and meet other conditions similar to those listed in the pending Senate bill."

[republicangirl1996]

LISTEN EVERYONE BECAUSE I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE:

CFS may have commissioned the poll, but it was taken by Zogby International - one of the best polling methods in the world.

If you read the hundreds of articles on this particular poll on immigration, it is probably the most accurate and neutral to date.

Yes, this is probably the most objective, fair and neutral poll taken on how Americans feel about immigration.

[Rick_Michael]

[raybbr]

ping to a poll that tells the truth.

[3niner]

"...81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of Independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics supporting the enforcement-only House bill."

What Zogby didn't mention is that half of the 47 percent of hispanics not supporting enforcement-only, are illegal aliens. They were counted, because they are likely to vote. ;-)

Seriously, this is likely to provide opportunities for challenger candidates (from both parties, maybe even third parties) to make inroads against incumbents.

[kittymyrib]

CNN had a really disturbing poll out tonight with over half the Republicans not supporting the President. He has totally disillusioned the conservative base of the party with his insistence on amnesty and bringing in twice as many legal immigrants on top of that, and the GOP will pay dearly for his stubborness. Several good guys will be sacrificed when they lose in Nov. because of his pig-headedness.