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Full-up Google choking on web spam?
The Register ^ | Thursday 4th May 2006 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 05/04/2006 12:14:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Webmasters have been seething at Google since it introduced its 'Big Daddy' update in January, the biggest revision to the way its search engine operates for years.

Alarm usually accompanies changes to Google's algorithms, as the new rankings can cause websites to be demoted, or disappear entirely. But four months on from the introduction of "Big Daddy," it's clear that the problem is more serious than any previous revision - and it's getting worse.

Webmasters now report sites not being crawled for weeks, with Google SERPS (search engine results pages) returning old pages, and failing to return results for phrases that used to bear fruitful results.

"Some sites have lost 99 per cent of their indexed pages," reports one member of the Webmaster World forum. "Many cache dates go back to 2004 January." Others report long-extinct pages showing up as "Supplemental Results."

This thread (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.search-engines/browse_thread/thread/5a15acac5a0245ce/b429366a28a29507#b429366a28a29507) is typical of the problems.

With creating junk web pages is so cheap and easy to do, Google is engaged in an arms race with search engine optimizers. Each innovation designed to bring clarity to the web, such as tagging, is rapidly exploited by spammers or site owners wishing to harvest some classified advertising revenue.

Recently, we featured a software tool that can create 100 Blogger weblogs in 24 minutes, called Blog Mass Installer. A subterranean industry of sites providing "private label articles," or PLAs exists to flesh out "content" for these freshly minted sites. And as a result, legitimate sites are often caught in the cross fire.

But the new algorithms may not be solely to blame. Google's chief executive Eric Schmidt has hinted at another reason for the recent chaos. In Google's earnings conference call last month, Schmidt was frank about the extent of the problem.

"Those machines are full," he said (http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/21/business/GOOGLE.php). "We have a huge machine crisis."

And there's at least some anecdotal evidence to support the theory that hardware limitations are to blame.

"The issue I have now is Googlebot is SLAMMING my sites since last week, but none of it makes it into the index. If it's old pages being re-indexed or new pages for the first page, they don't show up," writes one webmaster.

The confusion has several consequences which we've rarely seen discussed outside web circles.

Giving Google the benefit of the doubt, and assuming the changes are intentional, one webmaster writes: "In which case Google's index, and hence effectively 'the Web as most people know it' is set to become a whole lot smaller in the coming weeks."

It's barely more than a year since Yahoo! and Google were engaged in a willy-waving exercise to claim who had the largest index. (See My spam-filled search index is bigger than yours! (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/16/google_yahoo_junk/))

Now size, it seems, doesn't matter.

There's also the intriguing question raised by search engines that are unable to distinguished between nefarious sites and legitimate SEO (search engine optimization) techniques? The search engines can't, we now know, blacklist a range of well-establish techniques without causing chaos. In future, will the search engines need to code for backward bug compatibility?

And lingering in the background is the question of whether the explosion of junk content - estimates put robot-generated spam consists of anywhere between one-fifth and one-third of the Google index - can be tamed?

"At this rate," writes one poster on the Google Sitemaps Usenet group, in a year the SERPS will be nothing but Amazon affiliates, Ebay auctions, and Wiki clones. Those sites don't seem to be affected one bit by supplemental hell, 301s, and now deindexing."

With $8 billion in the bank, Google is better resourced and more focussed than anyone - but it's still struggling. Financial analysts noted that its R&D expenditure now matches that of a wireline telco.

Only a cynic would suggest that poor SERPs drive desperate businesses to the search engines own classified ad departments - so if you want to play, you have to pay. Banish that unworthy thought at once.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: google; internet; spam; web
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1 posted on 05/04/2006 12:15:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ShadowAce

ping


2 posted on 05/04/2006 12:15:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Ah yes, more complaining instead of going out and building a better mousetrap.

I love Google, I don't care how liberal they are.

3 posted on 05/04/2006 12:16:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (FR's most controversial FReeper)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

4 posted on 05/04/2006 12:17:29 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have to say I find google less efficient these days (privacy issues?), but they are still more on the ball than any of the others. Pretty much tried them all. If anyone has good suggestions, clue me.


5 posted on 05/04/2006 12:22:59 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: ShadowAce

Try www.DogPile.com

I am not associated with anyone!


6 posted on 05/04/2006 12:25:02 PM PDT by Freeper (I was culture in the 60's and now with Clinton "running things" I am suddenly Counter-Culture.)
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To: timsbella

The best one ever was Northern Lights, but it went to paid only several years ago. I got much more on that one than I ever did on Google, although that was the second best. How I have missed it!


7 posted on 05/04/2006 12:28:01 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Freeper

I've used:

dogpile, yahoo, lycos, webcrawler, ixmetasearch, clusty, and dmoz

and I think these are among the better ones, but still, a flawed google produces more good results


8 posted on 05/04/2006 12:28:05 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: nickcarraway

I don't think Google, "IMPROVED." I think they, sold out, to the spammers and hackers. The end result, is that they created more problems than they supposedly, solved...


9 posted on 05/04/2006 12:28:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: twigs

Yes, that was a good one. Wasn't it taken over by overture (which also isn't bad, but not among the very best). I like Highbeem for news headlines. Very nice. Technorati is good for blogs.


10 posted on 05/04/2006 12:29:40 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Freeper



I thought Dogpile just organizes results from other search engines...?
11 posted on 05/04/2006 12:37:01 PM PDT by macamadamia
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

I agree, they sold out. I used an engine called Wisenut, which is still around, but after it was swallowed up by Looksmart it seemed like they "dumbed it down". I feel the same way about Google. As I posted before, not as good, but still better than the rest.


12 posted on 05/04/2006 12:38:10 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: timsbella

I really don't know what happend to my Northern Lights. I just know that I've missed it a lot. I do a lot of genealogical research online and it yielded a lot more dead people that I needed that any other. It was excellent on current news too.


13 posted on 05/04/2006 12:40:21 PM PDT by twigs
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To: nickcarraway
If some of these web sites would spend half that effort on their content and maybe buy a little paid advertising they may be more successful.

Some folks obsess over search engine rankings.

14 posted on 05/04/2006 12:42:10 PM PDT by Flyer (Tag line removed to appease humblegunner)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I love Google, I don't care how liberal they are.

I quit using it because of FR reports as to Google’s leftist tendencies. Plenty of alternatives out there.

15 posted on 05/04/2006 12:43:45 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: nickcarraway
Only a cynic would suggest that poor SERPs drive desperate businesses to the search engines own classified ad departments - so if you want to play, you have to pay. Banish that unworthy thought at once.

Far and away the most important part of the article.

16 posted on 05/04/2006 12:45:37 PM PDT by rattrap
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To: nickcarraway

I used to use google the way I would use the encyclopedia, now it's more like the yellow pages.


17 posted on 05/04/2006 12:47:43 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: twigs

If that's your thing, I like to bypass ancestry.com and use rootsweb - you can free search the SSDI. The Mormon's have an amazing site called familysearch.org - traced my husband's family back to the early 1800s and all of my Jewish relatives in Europe! No idea how they gleaned all this stuff. Great international links.


18 posted on 05/04/2006 12:48:13 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Old Professer

http://accoona.com/


19 posted on 05/04/2006 12:51:35 PM PDT by navysealdad
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To: stillonaroll
I quit using it because of FR reports as to Google’s leftist tendencies. Plenty of alternatives out there.

Got any good URL's for alternate search engines?

20 posted on 05/04/2006 12:55:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement. - Reagan)
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