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New Poll: Americans Prefer House Approach on Immigration
U.S. Newswire ^ | 5-3-2006 | Steven Camarota

Posted on 05/03/2006 7:45:44 PM PDT by nckerr

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To: nckerr

A five thousand dollar fine per illegal would stop landlords from leasing to illegals.


181 posted on 05/03/2006 9:41:33 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: flaglady47

flaglady47,

You are a true patriot and a great wordsmith.

Your words should be echoed thoughtout the halls of Conservatism (if there is such a thing with our craven representatives).


182 posted on 05/03/2006 9:43:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "undocumented workers." Use the correct term: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: nckerr
Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea.

But when given a choice between just the House and Senate approaches, without the choice of mass deportations, the public prefers the House approach 64 percent to 30 percent.

An overwhelming majority of 77 percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs.


This is wonderful! Kudos to the House and to HR4437.

Now, how is the Senate and President going to go about completely ignoring the majority?
183 posted on 05/03/2006 9:43:57 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Stop the “No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act” – call/email/fax/write your Senators today!)
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To: MOgirl
Glad your here also.

Most current citizens of the United States don't get to pick and choose which laws their going to obey.

Unless of course your either illegal or your Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackass or some other extremist group or maybe a congress woman by the name of Cynthia McKinney.
184 posted on 05/03/2006 9:44:03 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Torie
A better ID process would seem to sail between your Scylla and Charybdis. I just don't buy your Hobson's choice.

If you were to apply for a job, I wouldn't check your SS number. Why? You're a pasty-faced white boy.

But, rather than risk getting scammed, I'd just turn away all Hispanics. And I'd blame it on whichever party was in the White House at the time. You get enough business owners like me who were turning their backs on Hispanics, and there'd be pressure to change the system.

When did checking immigration status devolve onto the backs of American business anyway? If you're here, I ought to be able to hire you.

185 posted on 05/03/2006 9:44:16 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Balderdash! that's just more blaming the US for everybody Ill's. Mexico had a revolution, the problem is the people that won are just as corrupt as the people they beat. There are revolutionaries in the jungles of Mexico right now but they can't get popular support because their all over here telling us how to run our country. These people need to go back to Mexico and do some first rate protesting down there.
186 posted on 05/03/2006 9:44:58 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: MissAmericanPie
A five thousand dollar fine per illegal would stop landlords from leasing to Hispanics, legal or illegal.
187 posted on 05/03/2006 9:46:27 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: sinkspur
Even given the capability to do all the checks, I am fundamentally opposed to requiring businesses to do the job of the government, which is to determine who can and who cannot be in the country legally.

In principle, not a bad argument. But, the practical issue is that the government already requires some burdensome documentation. Both my children were recently hired for part-time jobs. The level of documentation was considerable, and the paperwork quite burdensome. For example, only certain pieces of documentation were sufficient by themselves. The only single piece of documentation that I had on my own children without going to the safety deposit box at the bank was their passports. Otherwise you needed two. Therefore, the burden already exists.

It doesn't seem to work though. So, replacing with an instant check system would reduce the burden and improve the effectiveness.

This is the identical argument the NRA made with regards to background checks. The NRA was not opposed to background checks for firearms purchases, they just wanted it easy and fast. (Previously, it had been designed deliberately to take weeks and be very burdensome. Now it takes just a few minutes and you hardly notice it.)

If the government cracks down too hard on these guys, businesses will just refuse to hire Hispanics altogether, legal or illegal.

I never mentioned Hispanics. And indeed, the existing background check is done on everyone. My children are basically WASP / white, and they still had to do it. Indeed, the instant check actually protects businesses, which is why gun dealers love it. If the check says that the person is OK, they are legally not liable. Same for businesses.

188 posted on 05/03/2006 9:46:39 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: Serenissima Venezia
Now, how is the Senate and President going to go about completely ignoring the majority?

By passing nothing. We don't live in a democracy, remember, but a representative republic.

189 posted on 05/03/2006 9:47:43 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: sinkspur; Torie
If you were to apply for a job, I wouldn't check your SS number. Why? You're a pasty-faced white boy.

With all due respect, sir, you are absolutely dead wrong. As I stated in my post above, these (existing) checks are required of everyone. My beautiful "white" children had to do it.

190 posted on 05/03/2006 9:48:26 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: OKIEDOC
Hello,

How true, thanks for saying that!

Glad to be here, MOgirl
191 posted on 05/03/2006 9:50:11 PM PDT by MOgirl (Democrats: The Culture of Treason (and you know what I'm talkin about!))
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To: 2ndreconmarine
If the check says that the person is OK, they are legally not liable. Same for businesses.

If the check can be done in two minutes, and relieves the business owner of liability, then it would be a good thing.

According to Senator Cornyn (R-Tx.), my Senator, it would take five years to build such a database.

192 posted on 05/03/2006 9:50:24 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: sinkspur

If your talking about a person who honestly makes a mistake I agree. Some of these employers actively recruit illegals, and they are caught and prosecuted, we are just not putting the resources to catching enough of them to make a difference.


193 posted on 05/03/2006 9:50:43 PM PDT by lonedawg (why does that rag on your head say holiday inn?)
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To: nicmarlo

Gee, golly, gosh...could this mean that the President has been lying to us? I'm soooooo shocked!


194 posted on 05/03/2006 9:51:09 PM PDT by janetgreen (THE WHITE HOUSE FIDDLES WHILE AMERICA IS INVADED!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Sometimes stupid questions don't deserve answers.
Just because there is no finite "percentage" to give you for incarceration does not relieve our government from enforcing the law.
What a silly argument you present. If one were to follow your logic, no laws would be enforced and no one would ever be incarcerated.
Closing the border, fining scoflaw employers and raiding businesses will do a heck of a lot toward encouraging our illegal Mexican neighbors to return home voluntarily. I don't understand why people like you run away screaming like banshees whenever anyone suggests enforcing our laws.
(BTW... how many illegals do you employ???).


195 posted on 05/03/2006 9:51:34 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
A five thousand dollar fine per illegal would stop landlords from leasing to illegals.

It is also not against the law currently to lease an apartment to an illegal.

196 posted on 05/03/2006 9:52:05 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

...it's a stupid question.


197 posted on 05/03/2006 9:52:35 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: JoeSixPack1

LOL!!!! ; )


198 posted on 05/03/2006 9:53:23 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You have seniority oh Chief of the Petulant and Annoying. To answer your question - ZERO! Round them up and give em' a cool ride on a C-130 to Mexico.


199 posted on 05/03/2006 9:54:16 PM PDT by Sterlis (My brain is full.....)
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To: sinkspur

With a good ID system, if you could prove via internet documentation, that you went through the system, to check the ID, no problem. And if you refused to hire someone, without a check, and documentation that you checked, that would open the employer up to a lawsuit. Going though the ID process, would be job one. Getting the requisite get out of jail free card, would and should insulate an employer from lawsuits, or indictments. It is really very simple as I see it. What am I missing? I don't mind an employer checking out this pasty white faced boy, who has really gained some passing familiary with the English langauge, at all. And an employer should do it. In fact, maybe the law should be, that if you don't do it, you are fined period, even if the one without the proper paper work in the file, and an internet log, proves to have had his ancestors here since the Mayflower. Just some thoughts.


200 posted on 05/03/2006 9:54:28 PM PDT by Torie
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