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To: street_lawyer

The black African tribal groups in Darfur that are being hunted by the militias supported by the government do include both Muslim black African tribal groups and Christian black African tribal groups. Their commonality is that they have a common enemy - the government of Sudan, which is not only a "Muslim" government but predominately Arab, with no great love for their black African Muslims. Sometimes, just being Muslim is not enough for some Middle East Muslims.

Every human rights group, particularly the Christian groups working on behalf of the people of Darfur all say the UN figures are grossly understated, in deference to the government of Sudan. I'll take their word over the UN's.

We recognized the holocaust as genocide. Having survivors does not change it from genocide to mere killing. If it is not genocide when the habitat, way of life, and significant portions of entire tribes and clans have been permanently "eliminated", then there is no such thing as genocide.

An "economic" purpose in the killing does not change the proper description of it, from genocide to economic "cleansing". Euphemisms don't seem to work for me in this instance.


33 posted on 05/03/2006 6:37:01 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

"portions of entire tribes and clans have been permanently "eliminated"

I've not seen a reliable article that supports the position that the "elimination" is based on race.


37 posted on 05/04/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Wuli; street_lawyer
We recognized the holocaust as genocide. Having survivors does not change it from genocide to mere killing. If it is not genocide when the habitat, way of life, and significant portions of entire tribes and clans have been permanently "eliminated", then there is no such thing as genocide.

An "economic" purpose in the killing does not change the proper description of it, from genocide to economic "cleansing". Euphemisms don't seem to work for me in this instance.

This gets to the nut of the thread. Arguing over whether or not it is a genocide overlooks the murder, starvation and eviction of hundreds of thousands of people.

39 posted on 05/04/2006 10:03:35 AM PDT by zimdog
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