Posted on 05/03/2006 11:23:15 AM PDT by street_lawyer
Also, in southern Sudan, the conflict has been settled by a peace treaty and power-sharing agreement with provisions for a referendum on independence in the next 5-10 years.
I think you may have your facts misplaced.
Let's hope the peace treaty holds.
after almost 50 years of civil war, it will be difficult but god willing, there will be peace in southern sudan (and hopefully northern uganda soon)
BTW, I assume this is a vanity? It contains lots of inaccuracies or incomplete statements. Thought you might like to know.
Yes I would like to know. Like?
so you are suggesting that the US send in troops?
the US is trying to pull together NATO or UN peacekeeping troops that will include US troops.
for example, there are very few christians in darfur. probably less than 1%
are you saying that there is no genocide going on in darfur?
I still maintain that the government of Sudan is corrupt and is primarily responsible for the bloodshed, not for any racial or genocidal reason, but rather it is brutally killing anyone who opposes the government.
Before you can convince me that Muslim and Christians fight on the same side Hell will freeze over.
If by genocide you mean political groups ok, but most people think of genocide as the systematic and planned extermination of an entire race. I do not believe we are seeing an extermination of a race in Darfur.
I believe you're right about China. According to tomorrow's Sudan Tribune online: "Sudan and Iran...supply 20 percent of Chinas oil imports". ..."Chinas ambassador at the U.N. Wang Guangya has indicated that Beijing would veto any future resolution that imposed sanctions."..."China obtains 6.9 percent of its oil imports from the African country. In the past five years, Beijing has developed several oil fields, built a 930-mile (1,512 kilometer) pipeline, a refinery and a port. By far, Sudan represents Chinas largest overseas investment, worth three billion U.S. dollars."
Also: "Some 70,000 have died as a result of Darfurs conflict - many starving or succumbing to illness, the U.N. says."
The black African tribal groups in Darfur that are being hunted by the militias supported by the government do include both Muslim black African tribal groups and Christian black African tribal groups. Their commonality is that they have a common enemy - the government of Sudan, which is not only a "Muslim" government but predominately Arab, with no great love for their black African Muslims. Sometimes, just being Muslim is not enough for some Middle East Muslims.
Every human rights group, particularly the Christian groups working on behalf of the people of Darfur all say the UN figures are grossly understated, in deference to the government of Sudan. I'll take their word over the UN's.
We recognized the holocaust as genocide. Having survivors does not change it from genocide to mere killing. If it is not genocide when the habitat, way of life, and significant portions of entire tribes and clans have been permanently "eliminated", then there is no such thing as genocide.
An "economic" purpose in the killing does not change the proper description of it, from genocide to economic "cleansing". Euphemisms don't seem to work for me in this instance.
No my friend, you are wrong. There are Christians in Darfur, and they are black Africans and just like their black African Muslim neighbors, they are under the gun of the Sudanese Arab militias.
From: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/005/9.17.html
Christianity Today Magazine
Christianity Today, May 2004
Copyright © 2004 Christianity Today.
May 2004, Vol. 48, No. 5, Page 17
Ethnic Cleansing
Christians among hundreds of thousands displaced.
By Richard Nyberg | posted 04/14/2004
Negotiators in Kenya were about to put finishing touches on peace accords ending two decades of civil war in southern Sudan. But in recent months pro-government militias have razed scores of villages, raping and looting in their drive to rout two rebel groups in the western Darfur region.
It is a campaign widely described as ethnic cleansing of mostly black African Muslims and some Christians in Darfur. An armed Arab Muslim militia, on horses and camels, has forced 110,000 people to take up refuge at makeshift camps in neighboring Chad. There are also an estimated 700,000 internally displaced people throughout the region.
Although in the minority, Christians are among the thousands of terrified Sudanese driven from their homes. Church sources in Sudan told Christianity Today that most of these Christians had previously fled to Darfur from the south. Christians and animists there have been engulfed in war with the Muslim-led government since 1983.
The largest communion present in Darfur is the Roman Catholic Church, with 143,000 adherents. People also belong to the Sudan Presbyterian Evangelical Church, the Sudan Pentecostal Church, the Coptic Orthodox Church, and the Episcopal Church of the Sudan.
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"portions of entire tribes and clans have been permanently "eliminated"
I've not seen a reliable article that supports the position that the "elimination" is based on race.
An "economic" purpose in the killing does not change the proper description of it, from genocide to economic "cleansing". Euphemisms don't seem to work for me in this instance.
This gets to the nut of the thread. Arguing over whether or not it is a genocide overlooks the murder, starvation and eviction of hundreds of thousands of people.
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