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Chaos Feared In Pandemic Flu Plan
Yahoo/AP ^ | 5-3-2006 | Lauran Neergaard

Posted on 05/03/2006 11:03:31 AM PDT by blam

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To: blam
Of the $7.1 billion pandemic preparation plan, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said earlier, "This would really be a road map. It will cover both the government and nongovernment actions that are being taken to plan and prepare for any potential pandemic."

A draft of the document, obtained Monday by The Associated Press, provides little new information on government preparations.

So...$7.1 billion of our tax dollars are being spent on "a plan." I wonder where the money is really going? For half that much, I'll come up with a plan. I know of a couple good emergency planning web sites and where to get a great deal on tissues and Thera-flu. What a crock of snot. This is all about money is someone's pocket (and out of mine).

21 posted on 05/03/2006 11:43:46 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: blam

So if the flu is expected to cause 6 to 8 weeks of infection in each community and roll through the nation for a period of months, why do they expect that the 40% they think will take off from work will only do so for 2 weeks instead of the perceived duration?


22 posted on 05/03/2006 11:46:03 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: meowmeow

I'm overjoyed that you're not in charge of The Plan.


23 posted on 05/03/2006 11:48:12 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: pbrown
"That's what we're doing. Caculating what and how much we need for specific number of people."

Good for you. Get multi-vitamins too. You may not be eating as well as you normally do.

And. I've decided that if it goes H2H I'm not going to be bringing fresh vegetables into the house...it may have traces of bird poop on it.

I did my final hurricane/bird flu/war with Iran 'top-off' Monday during the boycott, lol.

24 posted on 05/03/2006 11:50:52 AM PDT by blam
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To: brazzaville
Hello.

The rub is the various medications I take to stay alive.

That's problem in our home as well. I've been reading up on various food, vitamins and minerals that can be taken in times where there is no way to get your medicine. Many Dr's will give you a 3-6 month supply of prescriptions, you just have to find them.

Our house, when it is finished in July will provide comfortable shelter, with power and a good water source for the entire clan.

My hubby has been doing a lot of remodeling around our home. Just encase. Our guest bedroom looks like a grocery and pharmacy store with a bed in it.

The part of the bug I don't like is the near 50% mortality rate for those who get it.

I can't discuss this topic with my son, it freaks him out. Terrorist, Nuclear, Bio, anything like that we discuss freely. There's something about a potential pandemic though.......

25 posted on 05/03/2006 11:51:16 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: netmilsmom

"I have extra food and water but just like Y2K, I feel it's a be prepared but not upset situation."

Me too. I keep six months worth of dried food plus water and a water filter. I think most of the hysteria is on the part of the government and MSM which seem to be doing everything they can to promote it.


26 posted on 05/03/2006 11:58:54 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: blam
Good for you. Get multi-vitamins too.

We've been doing that as well. We've bought just about every over the counter medicine we thought we might need. The only thing we haven't gotten yet is a suture kit. But we will.

I've printed out info on Typhus, Dysentery and Cholera. I have almost an entire book printed out on various subjects.

27 posted on 05/03/2006 12:00:16 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"So if the flu is expected to cause 6 to 8 weeks of infection in each community and roll through the nation for a period of months, why do they expect that the 40% they think will take off from work will only do so for 2 weeks instead of the perceived duration?"

LOL. I thought the same thing. I've already heard someone say that they worry that only one-half of the doctors and nurses will show up to work. Why would I expect truck drivers delivering food to the cities to do any better?

Hey, they've been saying for weeks that "you're own your own."

28 posted on 05/03/2006 12:02:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: pbrown

Good afternoon.
"I've been reading up on various food, vitamins and minerals that can be taken in times where there is no way to get your medicine."

Yup. My daughter is an herbalist, an MA, and a horticulturist. She is able to deal with the thought of a pandemic, but the thought of having to deal with the evils of mankind scares the pee out of her.

She won't even give a thought to learning to shoot, but the wife and I are deadly and the grandkid seems to be as well. I also have training and experience in trauma medicine. We'll do our best.

Good luck to all.

Michael Frazier


29 posted on 05/03/2006 12:03:25 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: netmilsmom

My ex is a genetics researcher (double Ph.D.) with the National Institute of Health. She believes the threat represents a real potential disaster.


30 posted on 05/03/2006 12:03:52 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: blam

Preparation is a favorite topic of mine, but a lot of people overlook the absolutely real possibility of a very bad recession, with widespread unemployment.


My advice is to try to catch up with your credit cards, and no matter how broke or poor you are, save some money.

Be prepared to pay your rent, and car payment if you lose your job, or have to take a lesser job.


31 posted on 05/03/2006 12:05:27 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: All
Here is a site that will do your caculations for food needed any number of people.

http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blcalculator.htm

32 posted on 05/03/2006 12:05:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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U.S. Representative Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois Democrat. ``Pandemic flu brought to you by the same folks who brought you Hurricane Katrina.'' Could anyone so inclined please contact Congressman Rahm Emanuel. The points I have in mind are these. 1. We do not know at this point if the avian flu is going mutate into a form transmissable between humans. 2. This is a time for cool heads to prevail, not hysterical political posturing. 3. The federal government will not be the cause of avian flu any more that it was the cause of Hurricane Katrina. 4. The first line of defense, and in this case quite possible the last, is local, not federal government.
33 posted on 05/03/2006 12:09:00 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (NOT ON MY WATCH!)
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To: blam
I'm glad that I've "retired" and will be working from home. I would be able to avoid the pandemic by not having uncontrolled contact with others, if it does indeed occur (not as likely as advertised, IMO as a microbiologist and infectious disease scientist/manager with 30 years' experience post-doctoral), but I would be able to care for others (including the use of IVs which I will stockpile and can administer) while protected by the knowledgeable use of protective garb, disinfectants, and other measures.

I also would be home to protect my "castle" from the "civil unrest" predicted. I have started to arrange to install physical (including "botanical" and "landscape") enhancements and upgrade my array of firearms and related defensive modalities.

Such would enable me to provide aid in the form of safe food to friends and neighbors (who already know that "Mormons" store food, etc. for just such eventualities -- on my own orderly and efficient terms, as opposed to having my family and said food, etc. mau-maued by marauders. That is to say, nobody would be shot or otherwise affirmatively dealt with unnecessarily.

It would be interesting indeed to see some of my somewhat critical,self-righteous, and "more Christ-like" (as they perceive themselves to be) co-religionists seeking refuge in my family's fortified, well-stocked, and heavily-defended domicile.

The price of their admission to same, on a first-come-first-serve basis, would be to bring their stored food and assist me in sharing with my neighbors who do not have food to eat.

No, I'm not "holier-than-thou" myself -- I'm just following His Orders. As I promised I would on the day I was baptised and again when I enetered into covenants with the Savior in His holy temple years ago.....

34 posted on 05/03/2006 12:10:37 PM PDT by tracer
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U.S. Representative Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois Democrat. ``Pandemic flu brought to you by the same folks who brought you Hurricane Katrina.'' Could anyone so inclined please contact Congressman Rahm Emanuel. I'm not in his district. The points I have in mind are these. 1. We do not know at this point if the avian flu is going mutate into a form transmissible between humans. 2. This is a time for cool heads to prevail, not hysterical political posturing. 3. The federal government will not be the cause of avian flu any more that it was the cause of Hurricane Katrina. 4. The first line of defense - and in this case quite possibly the last - is local, not federal government.
35 posted on 05/03/2006 12:11:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (NOT ON MY WATCH!)
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To: brazzaville
She is able to deal with the thought of a pandemic, but the thought of having to deal with the evils of mankind scares the pee out of her.

With everybody and their brother wanting to destroy us and our country, I can understand her fear.

She won't even give a thought to learning to shoot, but the wife and I are deadly and the grandkid seems to be as well. I also have training and experience in trauma medicine. We'll do our best.

We are excellent shots as well. My hubby asked me the other day if I was really capable of killing another human being. My answer came without pause. Yes. My familys life comes before a criminal 'booter.'

I asked him why he asked me such a question, he answered, 'I just needed to hear it.'

36 posted on 05/03/2006 12:13:00 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: ArmyTeach

oops. Sorry about the duplication.


37 posted on 05/03/2006 12:14:26 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (NOT ON MY WATCH!)
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To: lovecraft
Perpetuating the State of FEAR...

Exactly. The usual suspects in the Driveby Media never miss a chance to get the folks all stirred up. Fear = Ratings = $$$. Y2K, anyone?

These are the same talking heads who like to slam the Bush administration for "fearmongering" in the GWOT. Hypocrites.

38 posted on 05/03/2006 12:17:17 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: tracer
Such would enable me to provide aid in the form of safe food to friends and neighbors (who already know that "Mormons" store food, etc. for just such eventualities --

I believe that is their link on the site I posted. It's their food storage calculator.

39 posted on 05/03/2006 12:18:50 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: blam

Ironically, one of the biggest threats in the spread of bird flu is "free range" domestic flocks. They are exposed to wild birds that carry the virus and would like be among the first vectors.

Regular factory raised birds are kept in-doors, away from contact with wild birds.

BTW, at this time, 3m N-100 and masks with vapor filters are very available and not too expensive. Probably a good idea to stash a few away. P-100's are the disposible kind and are very cheap, though only for temporary use.


40 posted on 05/03/2006 12:19:46 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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