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Contract awarded on first F-35 models (Plus: $1 Billion Flaw in F-22s?)
Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | May 2, 2006 | Bob Cox

Posted on 05/02/2006 1:53:46 PM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: Pukin Dog

Thanks, that's pretty much what I suspected. I hope that they have hardpoints on the wings to actually carry some goods once they don't have to be as "stealthy".


21 posted on 05/02/2006 4:09:54 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: Pukin Dog

You certainly sound right on track about the FUD theory and keeping dollars with the F-35 ! Just because they are both Lockheed Martin doesn't mean the newer project will not suffer at all . They're banking on those International sales for sure !!!


22 posted on 05/02/2006 5:57:11 PM PDT by Stoli Strafemeister (I'll miss the Tomcats even more than the Crusaders ... sobbing in my Stoli !)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Well, some helpful moderator changed the link name. The actual link is to "dfw.com" which I took to be "Dallas/Ft. Worth." Everything else just said "Star-Telegram" so I thought I should have put some sort of city reference. Apparently I had a 50-50 chance and I got it wrong. Typical.

In the late 1960s when I was a young impressionable lad, I lived in Ft. Worth with my father who was a contractor at General Dynamics at the time. We lived in an apartment complex that was right on the approach path to a (the?) main runway to Love Field. We were so close that the first and tallest approach light and strobe tower was practically in our back yard.

I spent day after day watching Braniff DC-9s take off and land, as well as lots of other types of aircraft, both civilian and commercial.

It may be a child's-eye memory embellishing this, but I recall one particularly windy day when a low wing single engine light aircraft was making it's approach to Love Field. As I watched it come nearer, it was barely moving forward at all in the very strong and gusty headwind. As it passed where I was standing, I swear the aircraft slowed to a momentary hover as the pilot looked out his side window and waved at me before pushing the throttle forward to continue on to touchdown.

So if in my haste to post an article I have inadvertently offended those from the great community of Ft. Worth, I apologize. I will forever have very fond memories of Ft. Worth as the place where I acquired my love of aircraft that will stick with me for the rest of my life.

And Juck them if they can't take a Foke. ;^)

23 posted on 05/03/2006 6:03:02 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Turbopilot
I seem to remember watching a History Channel program about the F-14 that showed the first prototype had a full hydraulic failure which resulted in a lost aircraft on final approach. Both crew survived ejection, and it was quite dramatic footage. However, I don't recall anything about titanium hydraulic lines being the cause.

I do recall that the MV-22 Osprey had serious problems with it's titanium hydraulic lines being manufactured by a subcontractor with inferior grade titanium, causing many failures during testing, and an ongoing concern with the Osprey's hydraulics in general.

24 posted on 05/03/2006 6:07:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Yo-Yo
However, I don't recall anything about titanium hydraulic lines being the cause.

I have seen an issue where the excessive oscillation of a titanium bracket caused a vacuum line attached to the bracket to snap. I would suspect it may have been something similar. The line in the case I saw was not titanium but it was attached to something that was and that caused the failure it fail. It is not an flaw of titanium but it is just that it has different characteristics and when the engineers are use to designing with steel things can be overlooked.
25 posted on 05/03/2006 7:26:42 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Yo-Yo; COEXERJ145
I spent day after day watching Braniff DC-9s take off and land, as well as lots of other types of aircraft, both civilian and commercial.

Maybe you needed to get your eyes checked. Braniff I never had any DC-9's. They had BAC-111's and 727's. The BAC-111 had a similar configuration to a DC-9, but it was smaller. By today's standards it would be called a commuter jet


26 posted on 05/03/2006 8:29:15 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah, you're right, they were 727s. There was a stew who lived in the same apartment complex that hung around dad a lot (vbg) and she used to give me little styrofoam Braniff 727 toy gliders. They used a paperclip for a nose weight, and came in several fuselage colors.


27 posted on 05/03/2006 8:45:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Pukin Dog

I thought the "puppy" was dead; it seems to have more lives than a cat.


28 posted on 05/06/2006 8:46:13 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: Pukin Dog

what do you think of the EF2000 is it any better ?


29 posted on 05/15/2006 8:25:22 AM PDT by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: brooklin
Is the F-35 any good as a fighter? I haven't seen anything about how well it handles compared to an F-16.

While not exactly on point, but very generally informative...Check this link out:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/03/australian-air-power-controversy-f35-and-super-hornets-under-fire/index.php

30 posted on 03/08/2007 12:04:20 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Pukin Dog
The stealthiness is not on a par with the F-22, its a gas-hog that cant carry much weaponry.

And under President Obama it will be redesigned to be a green-friendly gas/electric hybrid.

31 posted on 03/08/2007 12:31:41 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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