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To: DJ MacWoW
Those who desire to believe that God is hate and not Love – are free to believe what delights them. But the truth is that God is Love. Those who desire to believe that Jesus did not/ does not teach forgiveness and Love are free to believe what delights them.

I do not believe that Jesus said the ugly statements you quote. They do not fit with the body of His teaching. You are free to believe that God is punitive and angry, unforgiving and harsh. If that turns you on – you are free to believe whatever you choose. It is sad. I am sorry you are so attracted to the infantile level – to the Taleban level of looking at religion – but I respect your freedom to choose.

Walking the path of love and forgiveness does not mean that a parent doesn’t teach his child. On the contrary the child is taught in an atmosphere of happiness and care. The child is taught responsibility and choice and the child is taught to develop character (to adhere to their principles) and the child is loved and knows she is loved. And when the child strays from the path – the child is loved more and forgiven…and gently, lovingly guided back onto her path. Jesus, when asked, said what? To forgive 70 times seven – to love your neighbor and your enemy.

You have made a little box for God labeled "Love" and you're pushing Him in it. He is so much more than that.

Little child. You have no idea what Love is to say that God is so much more than love. Perhaps you will spend a few hours or a few days and contemplate what it means – what it might mean that God is Love. God loves you more than you can possibly imagine. And God loves Mary Cheney just as much.

510 posted on 05/02/2006 9:35:15 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; NoCmpromiz
Those who desire to believe that God is hate

Do parents hate their children when they give them rules?

I do not believe that Jesus said the ugly statements you quote.

Don't you own a Bible? I gave you the verses.

You are free to believe that God is punitive and angry, unforgiving and harsh.

If that were true, Christ would not have given His life for our sin.

The child is taught responsibility and choice and the child is taught to develop character (to adhere to their principles) and the child is loved and knows she is loved. And when the child strays from the path – the child is loved more and forgiven…and gently, lovingly guided back onto her path.

Just as I suspected. A "touchy-feely" kinda person.

And God loves Mary Cheney just as much.

Where has ANYONE said that He does not? If she were the ONLY person on the earth, Christ still would have died for her so that she could repent and be saved.

Now that you're done neutering God, I'll say goodnight.

511 posted on 05/02/2006 9:44:14 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Sunsong; DJ MacWoW

You do not know that real love means correcting the loved one when the loved one goes into darkness.

A parent loves his or her child and therefore disciplines the child when the child misbehaves.

God has given rules (the hated "rules") for behavior in every religion in the world, and the funny thing is those rules are entirely consistent. Sexual behavior especially is mandated to be solely for marriage. Sex outside of marriage, whether before marriage or with another's husband or wife, and especially with same sex partners, is condemned as sinful (IOW, displeasing to God) in every religion.

Someone who loves God naturally follows the "rules" - not out of fear, but out of love. Such a saint doesn't have to try to remember any rules because he or she naturally only wants to do what is pleasing to God out of love. Does a loving husband or wife have to force themselves to remain faithful, or is it a natural impulse?

Someone who truly loves God doesn't break His rules, but follows them naturally out of love. And just because God loves all souls doesn't mean He is never angry with those who misbehave! He can be angry with someone and love him or her at the same time. Every parent know this.


513 posted on 05/02/2006 9:51:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Sunsong
So if I leave my wife because I am desiring to have sex with another man or steal from the collection plate to buy some crack I am addicted to, will God forgive me if I have no desire to repent?

Just trying to get an idea on what you believe. Keep in mind I believe in Jesus but refuse to change my desires as well regarding this scenario. What say you, will I get to live with God in peace?
554 posted on 05/03/2006 6:34:52 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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