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Thank you for the polite discussion, btw.

Thanks to you too. I think the discussion is important.

I'm going to tell you a personal story. A number of years ago, my sister asked me, "What would you do if your child came to you and said, 'I'm gay!'?" I told her I hoped I would tell him it was wrong but that I loved him anyway. I didn't know it at the time, but she was dealing with that exact situation. Know how the story ends? My sister grew to completely embrace it. She didn't entirely agree, but she kept it to herself. All of her other kids (some much younger) also embraced it. It infected the moral values of the entire family. Oh....up until my niece killed herself because of conflicts with her girlfriend (and there are lingering suspicions about whether it was truly a suicide). During the relationship my niece was allow to be foster parent to two troubled boys and one parentless girl. The acceptance was everywhere. The truth speakers were nowhere. I include myself. I didn't want to make waves. I stayed out of it. One time and one time only I said to my niece, "I think it is a sin but I love you anyway." She responded, "I don't think there is anything wrong with it." The end. Everyone in her life, including government funded counselors, failed her by "loving" her literally to death. Truth is, no one really loved her in any genuine sense.

So there's some light on my position. I give details because no names are mentioned, and even then I don't like to do it. As for Keyes, he was questioned endlessly by reporters. Perhaps he just started answering before he was asked. I don't know. Everything I read about it was during the initial period of revelation. I felt deeply for him. Everyone was trashing him when he was trying to help his daughter see the truth. Almost no one in the entire world really wants to help these people. They are sin accomplices. Enablers.

When I say, "The End," I mean the end of what I said. She went on to tell me what a bunch of freaks all homosexuals were, especially the men, and that she didn't plan on living that lifestyle forever. That's honestly what she said, not me. Still, she didn't see anything wrong with homosexuality. Just a finding of fact that in her experience and opinion, they were all weird. Gutless me didn't comment further. Maybe I figured I would always have time.

Her belief about the rightness and wrongness of homosexuality was fixed by the government. Seriously. Several sources. By the time my sister found out it was too late.

Thank you for sharing your story. We all have things happen in our lives that make a profound difference in the way we look at things. I had a dear friend that lost a child to suicide because his family disowned him. He didn't live up to their standards of what a son should be. People just don't realize what effects their harsh words 'in the name of the Lord' can do. I'm not meaning you, btw. We should never give up the 'hard work' of changing the world to be more like Jesus would want it. I just think we can be more inviting in our methods sometimes.

You said," Almost no one in the entire world really wants to help these people. They are sin accomplices. Enablers."

We are a world full of enablers. Unfortunately, in my opinion, enablers come hidden in different packages. There are the obvious ones that stick their heads in the sand and let others do as they will. (I think this is probably what you were referring to re: Cheney) I refer to them as "life's designated drivers". There are others that enable by building a wall between the self-proclaimed do-gooders and evil-doers. The wall-builders stand on their soapboxes proclaiming their version of the Bible; shoving their beliefs and opinions down the throats of all that will stand still. In doing so, they simply push those on the other side of the wall deeper into the dark. Perhaps if more people would come down from the pedastal and reach out a hand, they could lead someone to safetly. Instead, they shove them off the cliff they are teetering on.