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Giuliani Shows a Candidate's Mettle to Republicans in Iowa
NY Times ^ | 5/2/6 | Patrick Healy

Posted on 05/02/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by Crackingham

Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said on Monday that he was seriously exploring whether he has "a chance" of winning the presidency in 2008, as he visited politically important Iowa and huddled with state advisers, donors to President Bush and other prominent Republicans. While Mr. Giuliani was officially in Iowa to attend two Republican fund-raisers, his behavior and remarks came close to politicking for himself. He ruminated openly about running, disclosed he was not sure what he would do if his friend John McCain also ran, and argued that if Republicans are to be a majority party, they need to accept politicians like himself who support abortion rights, gay rights and gun control.

"I've got a lot of places to go and a lot of people to talk to and a long process of figuring out whether it makes sense to run for president in 2008," Mr. Giuliani said before speaking at a daytime fund-raiser in Des Moines for a Republican congressional candidate. "I don't know the answer to that yet."

He added: "My effort this year will be to help Republicans get elected, and then, quite honestly, as part of it, saying to myself, does it look like I have a chance in 2008? And make that decision after the 2006 election."

At a fund-raiser in Davenport on Monday night, Mr. Giuliani offered a stout defense of President Bush's leadership, arguing that the economy was growing and that Mr. Bush would go down in history as "a great president."

"I don't know what we're all so upset about," he said, referring to concerns about the economy and rising costs, such as gas prices.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
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To: HitmanLV
I had the pleasure of seeing Allen appear befuddled and bewildered by the likes of Barbara Boxer a few months back on tv. Not again! No more slow witted, flat footed good old boys in the Dubya "What, me worry?" tradition.

"Brilliant", or even "sharp", is not a word often attached to Allen. And that worries me a lot too. I'm rather tired of worrying that my guy can't hold his own in a debate.

201 posted on 05/03/2006 11:30:06 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: EternalVigilance
If George Allen is endorsed by Phyllis Schlafly would that change you mind about him?
202 posted on 05/03/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
If George Allen is endorsed by Phyllis Schlafly would that change you mind about him?

No.

I don't choose candidates based on endorsements, first of all.

And secondly, even though Phyllis is one of the heroes of the pro-life movement and I have the greatest respect for her, I haven't always agreed with her choice of candidates. In 2000 she supported Steve Forbes, whose pro-life position I think was contrived.

203 posted on 05/03/2006 11:49:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Gelato

I'm reading that link you provided, and frankly I'm shocked.

There's a whole bunch of stuff there about George Allen's positions and priorities that I didn't know about...and it ain't flattering.



2000 U.S. Senatorial Debate - Transcript
October 22, 2000, NBC 12 Richmond, Va.
Moderator: Larry J. Sabato
Candidates: Chuck Robb (D), George Allen (R)

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/programs/debates/00_transcript.htm


204 posted on 05/03/2006 11:54:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: jla
If George Allen is endorsed by Phyllis Schlafly would that change you mind about him?

Your question deserves further remark:

I've been shocked at how many DC-based conservative leaders have been woefully ignorant of George Allen's true positions on key issues.

I hope and pray that Mrs. Schlafly will dig deeply into the facts.

Because, I believe that if she does, she will look elsewhere for a candidate for '08.

205 posted on 05/03/2006 12:14:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Crackingham

He's a moderate Republican and would be the best damn POTUS for the dangerous times we're in. He would have my vote. I think he could win by toning down the anti-gun stature he maintained before 911 but he doesn't seem as much of a anti-gun type guy nowadays after 911 now does he?


206 posted on 05/03/2006 12:24:52 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Bluesguy

"and if Rudy is elected president over a democRAT, there will be what noticeable difference?"

Yeah, Rudy has honor. He is a hero and was right downtown immediately after the planes hit the towers, despite potential harm to himself. He cares about the people and is down to earth. Much different then a lof of the Dems who are just pissed at the world they lost power and will do anything to get it back...


207 posted on 05/03/2006 12:28:58 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: kingattax

"I believe that, first and foremost, we need to secure our borders. We need more border agents and detention centers along the border and we ought to be using technology, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, to help with surveillance. Secondly, we must not reward illegal behavior; rewarding illegal behavior will only encourage more illegal actions." --- Sen George Allen"

I like Allen also but I would still vote Rudy.


208 posted on 05/03/2006 12:55:00 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: EternalVigilance

209 posted on 05/03/2006 1:24:26 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: EternalVigilance
Not exactly the inspiring stuff you'd expect from someone who calls himself the next Ronald Reagan.

What do you suppose his call for "scientific research" could refer to? Embryonic stem cells, perhaps?


210 posted on 05/03/2006 1:37:12 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

Wow.


211 posted on 05/03/2006 1:39:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Gelato; EternalVigilance; jla; P8riot; Howlin; onyx
Not exactly the inspiring stuff you'd expect from someone who calls himself the next Ronald Reagan.

George Allen, has never, will never, would never refer(red) to himself as "the next Ronald Reagan."

212 posted on 05/03/2006 1:40:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
He sure likes to give off that impression. What's this? Distancing himself from George W. Bush?

That's funny, he used to like to call himself and Bush "we."


213 posted on 05/03/2006 1:45:31 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato; EternalVigilance
He sure likes to give off that impression.

Agreeing with or following someone's philosophy of government is not quite the same as claiming to be their heir apparent.

As for "distancing himself from George W. Bush" I really think that a couple of Keisters wouldn't want to go down that road.

214 posted on 05/03/2006 1:48:16 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
In 2000, Allen and Bush were "we."

Suddenly, with the president's approval at an all-time low, Allen "describes himself" as more in sync with Reagan than with Bush.

Allen wants us to believe that he is more conservative than Bush, when in actuality he is more liberal on the issue of abortion, and has identical rhetoric with the president on the borders.

One thing's for sure: he ain't no Reagan.

215 posted on 05/03/2006 1:52:45 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
We want you to have a wise and frugal government...

I wonder what ever happened to that?

216 posted on 05/03/2006 1:53:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Promises easily made in politics are easily broken, aren't they?


217 posted on 05/03/2006 1:54:47 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Corin Stormhands
Here he is again, distancing himself from George W. Bush and painting himself as Ronald Reagan.
218 posted on 05/03/2006 2:07:32 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

You betcha.


219 posted on 05/03/2006 2:08:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Gelato
Corin Stormhands: George Allen, has never, will never, would never refer(red) to himself as "the next Ronald Reagan."

George Allen: Most people who know me think I’m most like Ronald Reagan."

Touchdown!

220 posted on 05/03/2006 2:10:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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